[Wm] Tiger needs buffing

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[nugnugx]

Tiger is in a dire need of a defensive or offensive buff. The current metagameplay has made him a very weak AT platform and a weak tank. Other tanks outrange him, making him unable to defend himself.He cannot soak up shots like King Tiger, at the cost of 16 pop and 550FU he is very vulnerable vs what allies currently have.  Tiger as an AI mainly tank is not worth the 550 price, while for same price you can get 3 stuhs or 3 ostwinds which will be a better anti AI force.

Here is how a defensive buff would help :

-Defensive buff would up his survivability , thus upping his staying time on field before repairing, thus upping his cost-effective time for his high price on field.Be it armor change to panther(skirted stats) or speed or rec pen or rec dmg or extra hp. It would not boost his AT power however. What this buff would do it's just that, that he would survive more.

-Offensive buff (especialy vs AT) would up his attack power vs tanks making him be able to defend himself offensively leaving his current vulnerability. An offensive buff could be an increase to range to 45(some might say that it would be OP vs inf, it still has a sight of 35, it would no different to current AI power).
Tanks like m10 and/or m18 would no longer harass him without a chance to fire back.
Some might say that pershing has 40 range, but pershing has speed so he can get in close to attack Tiger if someone realy wants to.

-Price change.

Current Tiger can also stay but the price is too high for it imo, proper for what it can do currently would be 480 fuel from 550 and 15 pop from 16.

Ofcourse any other buffs are also good as long as it gets buffed, those are only my ideas.

[BigDick]

rofl when a tiger/pershing is 480 fuel a panther need to go down to 300 fuel

i think i need to digg out some old tiger company

[smurfORnot]

why not give him option to get something similiar to HVAP,that would buff his AT and range,but also lover the splash,so he becomes worse against inf,so this way like with Pershing ,you can either go for more 'tank hunter' or stick with AI.

[Smokaz]

People still complained when tigers were getting double buffs, perhaps a higher % accuracy could come back because thats the only really annoying thing with the tiger that it misses more than the p4 firing at infantry in the open with the tiger sitting still.

tbh I dont get why Tiger is so bad it was super popular a while back now its suddendly underpowered again, I mean what the devil. It's like a cycle of menstruation, one week Keeps is cursing the pershing next week he's making love to the exhaust,.

Go ask Briedis if the Tiger is up

[spinn72]

what... tiger up? WHAT?!
Have you seen the RoF with toggle?

[smurfORnot]

tbh I dont get why Tiger is so bad it was super popular a while back now its suddendly underpowered again

maybe cuz he was getting duble buffs? so he was twice better than he is now in those departments.

[Smokaz]

Honestly I had to edit that because people were complaining even then.

Nug have you tried to play more 3v3s or 4v4s with it, and focus on taking out infantry?

Who am I kidding nug isn't even playing with his tiger? Can't you post some replays of the tiger failing so much against something other than mass buffed tank destroyers? (surprise)

[BigDick]

why not give him option to get something similiar to HVAP,that would buff his AT and range,but also lover the splash,so he becomes worse against inf,so this way like with Pershing ,you can either go for more 'tank hunter' or stick with AI.

what would that help? the only "hard-target" a tiger need to fight is the pershing
the treats to a tiger are low armored high damage (insane dmg modifiers) and fast cheap tankdestroyers ak m10

a tiger has no real "tank" problems beside a firefly outranging it or m10s that are cheap with insane damage

these treats are not solved by buffing it vs tanks (but by supporting it with pak or doubleshrek storms)

[smurfORnot]

a tiger has no real "tank" problems beside a firefly outranging it or m10s that are cheap with insane damage

m18?

I dont care if he gets buffed or not,since I am not using him,if he becomes decent in my eyes with some buffs,I might buildt Tiger coy,but for now,I rly dont care about him.as long as teamate doesnt fail with him.

[nugnugx]

what would that help? the only "hard-target" a tiger need to fight is the pershing
the treats to a tiger are low armored high damage (insane dmg modifiers) and fast cheap tankdestroyers ak m10

a tiger has no real "tank" problems beside a firefly outranging it or m10s that are cheap with insane damage

these treats are not solved by buffing it vs tanks (but by supporting it with pak or doubleshrek storms)

Those 'only' are already 4 tanks,   m10, m18 , firefly which are available for all doctrines and  pershing in armor.
Fireflies and/or m10/m18 are practicaly used by everyone , so if you have a Tiger you will meet them in every game.

[hans]

the axis fanboy is again posting one of his topics? 

rofl 

[marda145]

Seriously, he needs at least better armor...

[Shabtajus]

Go ask Briedis if the Tiger is up
[/quote]
Well, Briedis is my in friend in real live who invited me to paly EIR:R and he still has no problems with a Tiger. I saw many times how he rapes  inf and tanks with it. Axis has more than enough support options for a tiger. Pershing sux. I saw that replay when u (Smokaz) raped Keeps (if i am right) vet3 pershing with a bike and 2xgoliaths. +Stormies with 2xshreks and even 2xm10 cant kill a Tiger. More people will go play axis  after buffs  u want.

[SaintPauli]

Tiger needs is 45 range to be able to defend itself vs. the light armored TDs. Same with Pershing (but remove the retarded “ARVE” rounds).

[Smokaz]

The thing that people keep sweeping under the rug is that if you get in two shrek hits on a m18, HVAP or not, its effectively out of the fight for a whole repair period.

[GORKHALI]

I stopped playing blitzkrieg coz the tiger get killed so fast by any ally tanks that i lose both of my tigers in every game and that is frastrauting, the most feard tank of all time has now left aside coz it cannot challenge any ally tanks , give it range 45 and hull mg supression against inf and bit more armor at the front so that it can take more punches and like sniping 1 long shot ability so that tiger can make a long range shot with cooldown timer so player can make that long shot in every 2 or 3 min  

[Smokaz]

Isn't heat rounds coming back as a T4 replacing joint ops?
If they move up the bottom t3 to middle at the same time you can get really epic tanks but crappy infantry and support weapons.

[deadbolt]

can people plz stop making threads about buffing tiger, it doesnt need buffing, it's fine as it is. if you think it needs buffing your shit at the game and need to l2p or l2micro.

[BigDick]

not saying ur wrong but:

well,I dont see a single PE or Wehr vet 3 panther on leadboards,lol

challenge accepted

10.08.2011 deadbolt after lossing a chucko panther 12min ingame:

"deadboltssmurf: this mod is shit"
- ragequits -

 

[SaintPauli]

Isn't heat rounds coming back as a T4 replacing joint ops?
If they move up the bottom t3 to middle at the same time you can get really epic tanks but crappy infantry and support weapons.

How is HEAT rounds going to help you when the problem is range (and speed)?