Origin and Why i won't be getting BF3, ME3 or any other EA game

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[EIRRMod]

I'm still curious though why people think they have a right to a luxury good.

Its called my right as a consumer, and protection against unlawful business practices.

Anything that incroaches on those rights, or gives an unfair advantage to a company/business through said measures usually results in a MASSIVE court battle in NZ.

In NZ, no contract can change the base consumer laws.  We have signs up in certain game stores (such as EB games) which say that no game can be returned unless it is damaged, and then they will only replace it (which I can understand, piracy and all).
But by consumer law (as I have pointed out) - I have 48 hours to change my mind.  REGARDLESS of what the fuck their stupid sign says.
Thats just one example.

[Unkn0wn]

Not like privacy still exists in the US of A anymore anyway. It's ironic how a country so full of 'freedom' has so little of it.

[SaintPauli]

[DarkSoldierX]

Not like privacy still exists in the US of A anymore anyway. It's ironic how a country so full of 'freedom' has so little of it.

Huh? Who was talking about privacy?

Not like any country in the world has freedom >.<

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Well considering your post wasn't censored by Big Brother, I'd say that there is plenty of freedoms in our world today. Most people just take it for granted.

[Tymathee]

human beings dont truly know the meaning of freedom. Whenever you give a society "true freedom" anarchy results. We're so selfish and self serving that in a "free society" everyone goes for self.

so in a sense...america is the freest country because its very selfish lol

[EIRRMod]

Thanks for the screeny Pauli, Im going to join up.

[AmPM]

AmPM, when one has paid for a luxury good, how can they NOT claim it is theirs? Also, I highly disagree with the theory that the right to bear arms is necessary to prevent individuals from gaining too much power.

You don't understand what you are paying for then. You are paying for the license to use said good. Like a DRIVERS LICENSE. And it can be taken away and comes with conditions. You do NOT own the rights to the software.

On top of that, something too many people forget, including those who made the oath, is that each member of the US Military is first and foremost to defend the constitution and constitutional rights of citizens of these united states.

I'm still torn on where that would place me in the case of righteous civil dissent.

But back to consumerism. You may be protected from those companies infringing on your rights by your government. On the other hand, that company can just choose NOT to sell you their goods as well. They will decide on which is the better route to take based on a profit/loss analysis.

[EIRRMod]

But back to consumerism. You may be protected from those companies infringing on your rights by your government. On the other hand, that company can just choose NOT to sell you their goods as well. They will decide on which is the better route to take based on a profit/loss analysis.

Indeed, thats why the US and Commonwealth countries tend to have slightly differing EULAs.

I would completely understand if a company chose not to provide me or people in NZ a product because of this - but because its allowed in other large nations (US) then its a moot point for them.

In regards to purchasing said right to use of software, well, theres proviso for that too.  Such as is collection of information etc part of the integral usage of the software product - and if not, then under what area would the collection correlate to the main use of the product.
If there is a conflict (which gathering information for anything OTHER than DRM) then the software licence that you are purchasing has that particular part IGNORED by the court if it ever went to a hearing or tribunal (I can never remember which).

[brn4meplz]

I don't think I want EA sending me Emails about discounts on tranny porn. I think I'll pass on their software. While I enjoy the Mass Effect games I don't enjoy them enough to agree to craziness. As far as I'm concerned the Battlefield series tanked after 1942 so I couldn't care for that.

Ideally this software change dents their sales enough that they change it. I already gave up on Bad Company 2 because they wanted to reset my password and change over to their systems. I'm a 'burn bridges' kind of guy. Offend me once and I'll never look back.

Farewell EA

[brn4meplz]

4 Pages of discussion in under a day and 1 Tranny porn joke kills it.

What happened to you people?

[Smokaz]

I'd hit it

[Masacree]

This is true of anything. Take away the ability of people to fight back and you can do anything you want short off killing them without a fight.

Which is why our constitution protects your right to carry arms and to defend yourself.

I'm still curious though why people think they have a right to a luxury good.

You're begging the question. Put it another way: there is a power asymmetry between a corporation and a consumer (this is absolutely undeniable). As such, there need to be rules regulating the type of contract that these two entities can agree to.

human beings dont truly know the meaning of freedom. Whenever you give a society "true freedom" anarchy results. We're so selfish and self serving that in a "free society" everyone goes for self.

so in a sense...america is the freest country because its very selfish lol

Only stupid western liberals (as in liberalism, that is laissez-faire capitalism and all of its derivatives) subscribe to that view of freedom. Freedom is better defined in terms of negatives, for instance:

Economic freedom means freedom from the economy - from being controlled by economic forces and relationships; freedom from the daily struggle for existence - Herbert Marcuse

But back to consumerism. You may be protected from those companies infringing on your rights by your government. On the other hand, that company can just choose NOT to sell you their goods as well. They will decide on which is the better route to take based on a profit/loss analysis.

Oh, shut the fuck up. A corporation does not need to know all of the data on a consumer's hard drive in order to run a business or make an effective product. They're only able to get away with this shit because 1. most consumers are clueless idiots(the achille's heel of every laissez faire capitalists' model) 2. individual consumers have virtually no power

[AmPM]

Masacree; you don't HAVE to buy the product.

You should point out that you will not buy it because of this, and then not buy it. Speak with your god damned wallet.

[EIRRMod]

Masacree; you don't HAVE to buy the product.

You should point out that you will not buy it because of this, and then not buy it. Speak with your god damned wallet.

Well thats the point I think he was making AmPM - where does it stop - soon all [Game] companies may follow suit, and then the majority of people who subscribe to the (in m opinion) poor practices that the companies follow.

I for one WANT to buy BF3 - but if its invasive, then I wont, speaking with my wallet so to speak.  However, I am probably a minority, and thus it wont be that big of a loss to them because they will make up the funds through the marketing they can now make with that information from other consumers.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Thank you AMPM for repeating EA

Didn't know they were responsible for your programming

However, I am probably a minority

The question really becomes are you part of the minority because they dont care? or are because the majority are just otherwise ignorant to the fine print?

[Masacree]

Masacree; you don't HAVE to buy the product.

You should point out that you will not buy it because of this, and then not buy it. Speak with your god damned wallet.

I get that. The fact that I am willingly buying a product does not mean that there are (and ought to be) no restrictions on what the corporation can do to that product. For instance, corporations are (and ought to be) legally obligated to provide accurate information in their advertisement of the product. Corporations cannot (and ought not be able to) sell products that are known to be dangerous without proper warnings.

If you disagree with these points (which I find hard to understand, but I suppose it is a possible position) I'll be glad to justify them extensively.

But, of course I won't buy it (not for this reason in particular).

[EIRRMod]

The question really becomes are you part of the minority because they dont care? or are because the majority are just otherwise ignorant to the fine print?

Magic 8ball says yes.

[Jstek]

This is true of anything. Take away the ability of people to fight back and you can do anything you want short off killing them without a fight.

Which is why our constitution protects your right to carry arms and to defend yourself.

I'm still curious though why people think they have a right to a luxury good.

Your such a fool.  You say owning a computer, having software is not a right but a privilege; that is CRAP.  I will grant you this.  Its is not a RIGHT to own a computer and play EA games.  However, its not a privilege either.  A privilege means you are required by law (not a fucking contract) to register or pay a fee to the government.  What the EULA is a commerce thing.  Like bartering in the most basic sense.  You don't have to take a test or pay a fee to use a computer now?  Nope.  Well for you folks in the EU maybe, but not in the USA.  Granted you have a choice to buy it or trade it or do nothing at all.  However, the terms for the purchase cannot violate your basic rights and any other laws on the books (which in turn also can't be used to violate your constitutional rights too); like the right to privacy in your home.  So its neither.

Take this comparison.  Just because you agreed to a contract where you are enslaved for the rest of your life does not make it legal.  In fact, its quite not legal; even if you knew what you were doing.

So get it right, but really, it just will probably mean that I won't be buying BF3 if I have to deal with any ORIGIN shit..  I'll just rent the game via gamefly to play on my PS3.  Nothing on there I give a shit.

In another note, tyranny does not happen overnight.  Its like the tide; the next thing you know your underwater getting taken out to sea.

On a personal note, I don't need anymore DLC software providers like Origin to buy games.  Granted Steam got away with it with HL2, but its too late in the game for EA to pull shit like that..  Nobody want their shitty software mucking shit on your computer anyways...

[Jstek]

Not considering EA's intent is always one with malice.  They cannot be trusted.  Which would make sense on why they are trying to do this..  Testing the waters..  Yeah they make a few good games and thats where it should end.