How do I beat Eldanesh's minespam company?

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[TheVolskinator]

Never won against it, fucking most annoying shit in the mod. Anything on legs arrives too late to deal with the 120 MU minefield his 1st HT lays down, and any vehicle gets roflpwnd by his marder and shreck. Then he just spams mines in a solid line and builds roadblocks across the map in under 5 minutes. In come three stuka hotches and its almost unbeatable. Seems minesweeper engies dont detect firecrackers, and they die easily; sherman flails get hit with the marder and schreck, atgs get mass-stuka-d and any infantry is negated by the massive minefield.

Also has an annoying nack for charging 2-3 panzer pioneers into a group of infantry, planting a mine in the middle of them and essentially making them into jihad squads.

So, what the fuck do I do?

Mortars/howies dont work on blowing up the minefield btw, mass stukas > that shit.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

95mm cromms exept for that just have a Minesweeper and a mortar to destroy his mines, but against the Demos the best thing you can do is to avoyde them and last time i used a minesweeper he could spot the mines with ease.

[Audemed]

3-4 minesweepers, they're cheap, and as long as your team isn't getting rolled anyways, you can slowly push forward. The demo charges, OTOH, are a bitch, since they're untargetable.

[BigDick]

wow there are people other than Morka (who gets roflstompt and ragequits after 2 min anyways http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=21158.0 ) who need a special company for that?

last time i played vs these mines and stuff i had 1 minesweeper 4 or 5 25 pounders and a bunch of stags as far as i remember
worked like a charm

[Audemed]

Most of us don't artyspam.

Also, I'd hardly call dropping a nade rifle for 4 minesweepers a special company.

[RikiRude]

It's a tough nut to crack, he has an almost endless amount of panzer pios (180mp for a unit that's got mp40s and is 5 men?!) they put their mines out, they are decent AI, plus they can recrew stuff quite effectively.

Demos that you cant kill is a big part of the hurt as well. Plus he has great off maps which will kill howies, and destroy any kind of blob you put together.

It's not unstoppable I've beaten it a few times, but I don't think there was anything special I did just bring lots of mine sweepers and arty. If you can kill his stuff while it sits there that helps a lot.

If you can't beat em, join em! Play a game with him and see if you can pick out what units that come out that put him at a disadvantage. It's still tough though if he has semi-confident players on his team. It seems to be the perfect support company.

[EIRRMod]

I reckon is just goes to show how little mines / minesweepers are used in the current meta-game - and that causes this to be extra effective

[TheVolskinator]

Id use them more, but engies occupy a lot of pool and are easily killed by everything the axis has. Meanwhile, Pzpios have ?volks mp40s and are a lot healthier, not to mention their mines are much more effective in terms of infantry killing power. The instant pin is really silly on those damn firecrackers tbh.

[BigDick]

please cross

[ ] i know that there is beside minesweeper upgrade for engies a special 1 pop 1 support pool (or something) minesweeper squad

It's a tough nut to crack, he has an almost endless amount of panzer pios (180mp for a unit that's got mp40s and is 5 men?!) they put their mines out, they are decent AI, plus they can recrew stuff quite effectively.

pio mp40 that are complete crap (less range than other small arms and shit dps beside on zero range)

[TheVolskinator]

I dont think they have pio mp40s; they deal about as much DPS as volks so...Im guessing volks MP40s

[EliteGren]

They have 4 Pio MP40s and a leader rifle

[DarkSoldierX]

Just realized something.


They dun has soldier armour.

You can definitely reason for a removal of soldier armour or slight price increase.

And additionally they have approximately 3.39 DPS more than a volks squad at close range vs inf Armour.

The only 2 deficits they have is that they can't deal that minuscule DPS vs inf armour 35 meters away, and they have -5 HP per man.

[Solo Wing Pixy]

I reckon is just goes to show how little mines / minesweepers are used in the current meta-game - and that causes this to be extra effective

don't think it would make a huge difference, even if you do pack 3-4 minesweepers, there not the hardest to kill. Is there a limit to the mines that these guys can put out. ?

[BigDick]

afaik they can lay 2 mines each squad when purchased

And additionally they have approximately 3.39 DPS more than a volks squad at close range vs inf Armour.

dude they have pio mp40 which have max. 20 range
who ever can't fight these in 20-35 range without getting any returned fire (beside of leader guy) should hit the deinstall routine of EIR and COH asap cos he will fail 4 ever in this game/mod anyways

[DarkSoldierX]

afaik they can lay 2 mines each squad when purchased

dude they have pio mp40 which have max. 20 range
who ever can't fight these in 20-35 range without getting any returned fire (beside of leader guy) should hit the deinstall routine of EIR and COH asap cos he will fail 4 ever in this game/mod anyways

You mean your going to keep kitting away from a squad dealing less than 6 damage per second? Seriously if its 6 DPS from a riflesquad at med. range vs soldier while standing still(which you wont be) how the hell will you kill the squad before you hit your spawn and lost all your territory, which happens to be one of the ways of winning the game.


And I forgot to mention Panzer Pio gets free mine detection >.<

[BigDick]

yeah pio mp40 have 15% moving accuracy....mp40 on volks have 20% and are considered as completely crap nothing hitting shit guns on the move

so actually u can do what you want vs the panzer pios except sitting on point blank with them

never heared such bullcrap of op offensive panzerpios before
when u want to complain complain vs the mines or whatever but not vs the unit itsself fucking morons

EIR - the place of stupidity  

[DarkSoldierX]

EiR, The place of stupidity, yeah, all comes from people like you.

Yeah, there may not be super OP offensive panzer pio spam dumbass, but that doesn't mean its not more cost effective than all the other infantry.


For example - It takes a nilla rifleman squad 13.12 seconds to kill a grenadier squad, the highest survivability axis basic infantry there is. It also takes a nilla rifleman squad a astounding 17.34 seconds on average to kill a panzer pio squad.

Tell me that panzer pio's arn't worth more than 180 mp for

 +Soldier Armour
 +Higher Close DPS, the most relevant DPS in the game
 +Free Mine detection

With the only disadvantages of

 - 5 less HP
 - Doesn't shoot the standard inf weapon range, the most irrelevant inf weapon range in the game, so irrelevant its not even worth mentioning

[MorkaandBorka]

wow there are people other than Morka (who gets roflstompt and ragequits after 2 min anyways http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=21158.0 ) who need a special company for that?

last time i played vs these mines and stuff i had 1 minesweeper 4 or 5 25 pounders and a bunch of stags as far as i remember
worked like a charm

noone got roflestomped, i was paying back skaffa.  Shut up you baddie

[RikiRude]

I'm just curious, BD have you actually played against Elds company more then 3-4 times? In a fairly balanced game? I'm just curious if you're talking out your ass with how easy it is to beat or if you've actually beat it multiple times, if so you haven't provided any relevant information and probably don't even need to waste your time in this thread.

[BigDick]

w00t? when did i "talking out my ass how easy it is to beat"?
i said people complain of panzerpios with their super mp40 as combat unit are idiots
and i said when i played against this i had no problems with the mines

i did not said that it can't be annoying (like every spam company) or that u cannot get into trouble by running a heavy infantry based company and forgot to get some sweepers somehow