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[Tymathee]

depends. what we feel is a crime here may not be so in another country or even be reported because its taken care of by the citizenry

[smurfORnot]

I just remember from some documentary,dunno which country,middle east somewhere,they have 'exchange office' which is basically glass desk and guy behind it,and they are not afraid that someone will even try to rob this guy cuz of the punishment,while here we have guys behind bullet proof glass with vaults inside.

[Mysthalin]

Sounds to me like a bunch of propoganda, to be fair.

Also - Dark, I'll type up a decent response to you later on. But it goes along the lines of "It's not how bad you'd get punished - it's how likely it is that you'd get punished". It's the main reason psychopaths commit the crimes they do - they think they can avoid capture and as such play a game with the system. Except in cases where the person wants to be captured, or does not care about being sentenced - most people don't really commit crimes unless they're quite certain they won't get caught.. Or at least try their best to hide their trace. A heftier punishment just makes them more zealous in the endeavour.

[Spartan_Marine88]

I read one theory about the death penalty, that stated that a criminal who knows that that's what his penalty is, is going to be less likely to surrender peacefully but instead will be more inclined to be violent

[spinn72]

[Sachaztan]

I actually agree with legalizing minor drugs like marijuana tbh.

The problem with your theory is that while stating prohibiting a substance does not work, reality also proves that selling it legally doesn't work either.

Alcohol being the best test subject: While being illegal from 1920 to 1933, people still found a way to get it, abuse, and kill others under it's influence.

We then made it legal and people still  get it, abuse it, and kill others under it's influence. So legalizing it failed just as hard as making it illegal.

The only way to truly limit the abuse is to make the penalty to do so massively deterrent. There will still always be a minority who will abuse it, but we have morons that kill themselves and others everyday regardless of what we do.

Seriously think about this for a second.
Image this - you are pulled over for drunk driving. Legal limit is .08. You blow over .08. The law states if you blow over .08 you must subject yourself to a blood test to confirm. If the blood test also confirms over .08, you are shot dead on the spot.

Would you risk drinking and driving? Even if you think the law is bullshit, there is no way any reasonable human is going to take that chance. And guess what - 99.99% of all alcohol related vehicles deaths are snuffed out. The people who break the law are snuffed out to. Before long, there is no such thing as drinking and driving.

If you have ever lost a close person to you because of someone drinking and driving, you will completely agree with this law.

You risk it now because you can probably get a lawyer to find a loop hole to get you off. Worst case scenario you loose your license, but that's after a year or so of wasting tax dollars on court rooms and probably a court appointed lawyer.


Bottom line is massively increasing the penalty for breaking the law will be the only way to deter people from harming others.

In several south-east asian states drug laws are harsh, to put it mildly. Smuggling a mere 10 pounds of marijuana is punishable by DEATH (holy shit!) and the heavier the drug the more likely you are to be executed. This still doesn't stop people from buying, using, smuggling and selling all kinds of drugs.

It's almost as if these severe laws make any difference at all...

But one thing's for sure, the harsher the laws the stronger organised crime gets. How you can say that repelling the prohibition laws is as much fail as the prohibition itself is just...baffling. Yeah, i can't really find any words for how bizarre it is.

[tank130]

Except harsh penalties are proven, statistically, to be rather poor at actually preventing crime. Look at the USA and it's death penalty - it still fosters a far larger crime rate than other, comparable countries such as the UK.

The only thing excessively harsh penalties ensure is the fact the perpetrators take better measures to ensure they're not caught - if the crime is worth it (or, in the case of drunk driving - you're unable to make a rational decision) - they'll still do it as long as they think they can get away with it. Look at the Soviet Union of all places. Technically, stealing from the government and giving bribes could very easily land you in Siberia - however, since everyone was doing it, it wasn't really all that enforced, with the system focusing more on what you say about the current government.

Of course, I am not saying "do not punish perpetrators" - penalties do have a deterring effect, even if it is negligible if overly excessive - and people do need to pay the consequences for their actions. But don't be naive in thinking that you can cure the problems by just treating the symptoms - e.g. arresting drug users and drug peddlers. And if it's a "terminal illness" so to say - might as well reap some economic benefit out of it instead of crying foul and blindly flailing at it with a stick.

34 States have the death penalty. 16 states do not.

The problem with the death penalty is not the punishment, but the way the judicial system handles the penalty. The average inmate waiting on death row waits 10 years. Some have waited 20years.

Their system allows for many appeals and other bullshit tactics that prolongs the event. Their system also allows violators to reduce their sentences with plea bargains on good behavior. So really when it comes down to it, no one really fears the death penalty. It is an idle threat that happens very seldom.

If the penalty was swift and harsh, it would be much more of a threat.

Haha, yea why don't we go ahead and put the death sentence on every crime then? I'm sure that would cut crime by 900%!

Now you are just being stupid IMO. Death for theft would probably work, but it is not really necessary. A better punishment would be for that person to spend the rest of their life with one less limb.

Violent crimes should all result in death. Why the fuck should we spend money feeding and housing violent criminals? Why do they deserve to live while their victims do not? Tell me why that is the fair thing to do.

[tank130]

How you can say that repelling the prohibition laws is as much fail as the prohibition itself is just...baffling. Yeah, i can't really find any words for how bizarre it is.

You completely missed the point and context of the statement.

When alcohol was illegal, people still purchased it and abused it.
When alcohol is not illegal, People still purchased it and abused it.

The point was: whether it was illegal or not did not change peoples behavior in regards to abusing it.

[AmPM]

This thread is stupid.

People like to point out shit, like personal freedom, and universal rights and crap. Which is of course all complete drivel and bullshit. YOUR personal freedom extends exactly as far as you are able to enforce it. There are NO universal rights, otherwise they would not be something that can be taken away. You have a right to nothing, anything you take for granted as a right is GIVEN to you by a stronger entity.

Right to life does not exist, anyone can kill you at anytime.

Right to privacy only exists as far as you can enforce it or get someone else to enforce it for you.

In other words, we all live in a cozy blanket of social bullshit that makes us feel cozy. Don't like it? Go live in the middle of shit nowhere in Africa where the only rules are "Do you have more guns than those guys" and THEN you are in free society.

[Demon767]

This thread is stupid.

People like to point out shit, like personal freedom, and universal rights and crap. Which is of course all complete drivel and bullshit. YOUR personal freedom extends exactly as far as you are able to enforce it. There are NO universal rights, otherwise they would not be something that can be taken away. You have a right to nothing, anything you take for granted as a right is GIVEN to you by a stronger entity.

Right to life does not exist, anyone can kill you at anytime.

Right to privacy only exists as far as you can enforce it or get someone else to enforce it for you.

In other words, we all live in a cozy blanket of social bullshit that makes us feel cozy. Don't like it? Go live in the middle of shit nowhere in Africa where the only rules are "Do you have more guns than those guys" and THEN you are in free society.

+1

[tank130]

This thread is stupid.

People like to point out shit, like personal freedom, and universal rights and crap. Which is of course all complete drivel and bullshit. YOUR personal freedom extends exactly as far as you are able to enforce it. There are NO universal rights, otherwise they would not be something that can be taken away. You have a right to nothing, anything you take for granted as a right is GIVEN to you by a stronger entity.

Right to life does not exist, anyone can kill you at anytime.

Right to privacy only exists as far as you can enforce it or get someone else to enforce it for you.

In other words, we all live in a cozy blanket of social bullshit that makes us feel cozy. Don't like it? Go live in the middle of shit nowhere in Africa where the only rules are "Do you have more guns than those guys" and THEN you are in free society.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[SpaceHamster]

This thread is stupid.

People like to point out shit, like personal freedom, and universal rights and crap. Which is of course all complete drivel and bullshit. YOUR personal freedom extends exactly as far as you are able to enforce it. There are NO universal rights, otherwise they would not be something that can be taken away. You have a right to nothing, anything you take for granted as a right is GIVEN to you by a stronger entity.

Right to life does not exist, anyone can kill you at anytime.

Right to privacy only exists as far as you can enforce it or get someone else to enforce it for you.

In other words, we all live in a cozy blanket of social bullshit that makes us feel cozy. Don't like it? Go live in the middle of shit nowhere in Africa where the only rules are "Do you have more guns than those guys" and THEN you are in free society.

Theres something called being self-sufficient, look it up.

I hate it when people just take in bullshit because they cant do anything better but tell another person in the same situation to "deal with it" while they take in this hipocrasy of bullshit up there anuses and think its normal to have such a life.

The reason people ended up in this kind of shitty society is because THEY GAVE THE FREEDOM to corporations to expand to limitless power to the point that you are now feeding them by just living of a shitty job. Now people like you and me have to fucking fight over whether we should change anything thats happening in our society right now, and honestly the 'stronger entity' doesnt really give a shit about petty arguments, in fact. You are helping this entity by fighting each other and clouding the fact that power of such magnitude exists to control and take advantage of you.

Honestly I cant do much about it. I have to stick to society as it is, but that doesnt mean I have to be part of this shitty system.

[Spartan_Marine88]

I live a good life, am generally safe and understand enough about the laws of my country to be free enough to do anything i really want to do. Its not perfect, it will never be perfect, but things always get better. And the 'shitty' system actually works for the most part. Half the people who bitch about it, wouldn't survive a day if it didn't.

The problem with most people is that they don't realize that you can turn to your boss when he tells you you have to miss your scheduled lunch break, and say fuck yourself and he can't do shit. So many people say how much power these entities have, when they have no backbone and have never stood up for themselves and even said, well i have been working for four hours, im taking my half hour.

[Groundfire]

This thread is stupid.

People like to point out shit, like personal freedom, and universal rights and crap. Which is of course all complete drivel and bullshit. YOUR personal freedom extends exactly as far as you are able to enforce it. There are NO universal rights, otherwise they would not be something that can be taken away. You have a right to nothing, anything you take for granted as a right is GIVEN to you by a stronger entity.

Right to life does not exist, anyone can kill you at anytime.

Right to privacy only exists as far as you can enforce it or get someone else to enforce it for you.

In other words, we all live in a cozy blanket of social bullshit that makes us feel cozy. Don't like it? Go live in the middle of shit nowhere in Africa where the only rules are "Do you have more guns than those guys" and THEN you are in free society.

Ah and thus is the statist problem. We are given rights by an elite, the government, a stronger entitiy. We are given rights because it makes us more productive. Just like free range cattle are still fenced into a perimeter.

Dont think this analogy is correct? Try not paying your property taxes for awhile and see if a SWAT team doesnt bust down your door to extract it forcibly.

We are tax cattle by force. To accept these parameters makes you a slave, some people like being slaves. IF this were a voluntary system, this would not be an issue.

We all have inherent rights... rights can be violated. Just because they can be violated does not mean that they are not rights. If you really want them, then you have to escape the fence.

[Demon767]

This thread is stupid.

People like to point out shit, like personal freedom, and universal rights and crap. Which is of course all complete drivel and bullshit. YOUR personal freedom extends exactly as far as you are able to enforce it. There are NO universal rights, otherwise they would not be something that can be taken away. You have a right to nothing, anything you take for granted as a right is GIVEN to you by a stronger entity.

Right to life does not exist, anyone can kill you at anytime.

Right to privacy only exists as far as you can enforce it or get someone else to enforce it for you.

In other words, we all live in a cozy blanket of social bullshit that makes us feel cozy. Don't like it? Go live in the middle of shit nowhere in Africa where the only rules are "Do you have more guns than those guys" and THEN you are in free society.

NO! stop rebutting this quote! he is right!!

+1111111111111111111111

or tank edit your freedom of stupidity!

[tank130]

We are tax cattle by force. To accept these parameters makes you a slave, some people like being slaves. IF this were a voluntary system, this would not be an issue.

Ummmmmm...... I believe those taxes pay for the roads you travel to get to work. The garbage removal from your curb. The education your parents, you, and your children will/have received. The street lights that light your way home at night. The police that protect you when you need it. The court systems that punish the people that wronged you or your friends.

The list goes on.

Why is it considered a slave to taxes if you receive all those services in exchange?

[Demon767]

Ummmmmm...... I believe those taxes pay for the roads you travel to get to work. The garbage removal from your curb. The education your parents, you, and your children will/have received. The street lights that light your way home at night. The police that protect you when you need it. The court systems that punish the people that wronged you or your friends.

The list goes on.

Why is it considered a slave to taxes if you receive all those services in exchange?

no tank, no eir.

slaves to tank!

[SpaceHamster]

I live a good life, am generally safe and understand enough about the laws of my country to be free enough to do anything i really want to do. Its not perfect, it will never be perfect, but things always get better. And the 'shitty' system actually works for the most part. Half the people who bitch about it, wouldn't survive a day if it didn't.

The problem with most people is that they don't realize that you can turn to your boss when he tells you you have to miss your scheduled lunch break, and say fuck yourself and he can't do shit. So many people say how much power these entities have, when they have no backbone and have never stood up for themselves and even said, well i have been working for four hours, im taking my half hour.

thats why I aint part of the shitty system,

doesnt mean I go overboard and ignore it totally, I can be in it but not part of it. I aint the type to go "ALALALALA FREEDOM!" but I aint gonna go around listening to every ones request and saying "okay."

[smurfORnot]

The problem with most people is that they don't realize that you can turn to your boss when he tells you you have to miss your scheduled lunch break, and say fuck yourself and he can't do shit. So many people say how much power these entities have, when they have no backbone and have never stood up for themselves and even said, well i have been working for four hours, im taking my half hour.

well right now with so many unemployed people around,not many can afford to  'fight' with their boss. He will just find excuse and bring another guy in,cuz he knows that another 100 people are waiting in line for job.
Just an example,my friend worked at McDonalds up till recently,he wanted wanted more rights for students,boss basically told em to shut up,because he can fire em right away and bring other guys in. Long story short,he was just waiting for my friend to make little mistake and fired him,before him,he also fired his friend.
Employer doesn't want smart ass worker who is 'not doing what he is told' ,he can just as easily find another one and replace 'smart ass'

[PartyJaeger]

originally this was about power abuse from goverment on borders

so I finally found the link I wanted comments on:

http://nomadlaw.com/2010/04/i-am-detained-by-feds-for-not-answering-questions/


what scares me and why I am trying to allways get response from americans about this kind of stuff is that USA is like flagship of democracy and lifestyle and whatever for ppl and politicians here. What I fear if ppl in USA are OK with some developments, they automagically decode it here for sheeps like 'this is how it should be'.


so I am scared that I see no objections from racional americans against this kind of stuff, or not so constitutional car-checks by TSA behind borders? like whoa? So is this still OK in your opinion, was he detained rightfully, do you think it cannot get any worse?


I am starting to think I will emigrate again - at least there is still asia, I grow up from communism regime just to be eaten by the same regime but in other colors, sad is other citizens are not so bothered by it...