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[Spartan_Marine88]

Logic says a story cannot be well-written while still allowing for mutliple paths.

All credibility of your argument was lost here.

[Demon767]

Spartan come here, i want to speak sofly into your ear

Logic....

[Vermillion_Hawk]

All credibility of your argument was lost here.

Au contraire, if you had read the rest of the post I supported the claim with my own logic. My logic, from my viewpoint, not logic as a whole. Admittedly, it was worded poorly, and should have been "By my logic". However, it still shows your narrow-mindedness. Perhaps an effort at anything other than nitpicking from you will convince me otherwise that you can still reasonably formulate an argument against my position, and not against my person, but until then my judgement on the state of your skills still stands.

Demon, your contributions are at this point little more than the cries of a mewling child. Perhaps it's bed time for you.

[Spartan_Marine88]

convince me otherwise that you can still reasonably formulate an argument against my position

It is impossible to formulate an argument against a position that is outside the realm of intelligence. To properly do so i would need to suffer irrevocable brain trauma.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

It is impossible to formulate an argument against a position that is outside the realm of intelligence. To properly do so i would need to suffer irrevocable brain trauma.

A convenient way to attempt a graceful defeat. Perhaps "outside the realm of YOUR intelligence".

[Demon767]

Give up Vermillion

Your argument will always fail because its premise is based on insulting the other forms of story telling, to you *lower forms* straight away.

Your opinion you have means *This* is superior, so why would i choose anything else, thus anything other then that is for the, well lets just put it in lame mens terms, the un-educated aye. The insignificant rabble.

Thus your pompous opinion can never be argued, as it should stay as an opinion of "Vermillion: Hey guys, i'd just rather read a book then play this game"

"Demon: Okay Vermillion no worries!"

[Vermillion_Hawk]

But it is an opinion. My opinions just seem to hurt people for some godforsaken reason. These people then proceed to formulate feeble attacks against my person, and stoop to the levels seen in this thread. I'm stating my opinion, and I do not intend it in the least for it to be insulting, until people commit the aforementioned acts. People just take this shit too personally.

[Spartan_Marine88]

But it is an opinion. My opinions just seem to hurt people for some godforsaken reason.

It hurts no one, just you alone are the only one convinced that you are so intelligent that it offends us. And when we point out the inherent flaws in both your arguments and logic, you say that we are personally attacking you by 'nitpicking' in your attempt to force your opinion down are throats in an extremely arrogant manner.

[acker]

First, on topic. And Wall of Text:

I've played No More Room In Hell, both the release version and the current version. The release version was a release version (crap), I'll talk about the current version. I'll get this out of the way right now: I find the current version fun to play, especially the survival mode.

First off, NMRiH tries to emulate a "real" Romero zombie apocalypse, within limits. It does this so:

Zombies:

Zombies are primarily walkers that take ridiculous amounts of damage if you don't know how to aim for the head. Zombies are stupid, but they can grab you and bite you. Zombies deal damage between ~10% of your health (if they swing at you) and ~100% (if they manage to infect you through bites or scratches, you're guaranteed to die). Infection is random, but bites have higher infection rates than scratches.

There is no cure for infection except death. And then a hit to the head to cure undeath. Zombie survivors sprint at unundead survivors.

Survivors:

Survivors (you) have have minimalist HUD. Unlike L4D, nothing is highlighted in this game. Voice and text chat only works out to "hearing" range unless you pick up a walkie-talkie. There's stamina in this game, that goes down faster if you carry more stuff. You can shove zombies with the "v" key, but it uses stamina.

Weapons:

There are quite a few melee weapons in this game (good thing too). You can charge up a swing by holding down the mouse, but it uses stamina. The machete, sledgehammer, and fire axe are generally acknowledged to be the three best melee weapons.

Most of the guns in this game are civilian stuff like hunting rifles, pistols, break-open shotguns, etc. The two exclusively military weapons are the M16 w/ACOG and the MP5. Damage is determined by caliber, not the weapon you shoot it out of.

I haven't used all the weapons, but from what I've used...

-.22LR kills zombies in two to four shots in the head at close range.
-9x19mm kills zombies in two shots to the head.
-.45 ACP and .357 kill in one shot to the head.
-Anything above that is generally one shot to the head.

In general, you can't tell how many rounds a gun has unless you manually check (hold R). Flare guns serve two purposes; they can light groups of zombies on fire (making them sprint at you for a couple seconds before dying, very dangerous), or they can summon helicopters with supply crates if shot into the air at above a 75 degree angle or so.

You can barricade a door frame  with a board if you have both hammer and board.

General Gameplay:

Ammunition is very easy to run out of (as there are a lot of zombies, and ammunition is scarce). Gameplay generally goes thus:

1: Avoid the zombies. Emulate the original Dawn of the Dead's shopping scene and dodge around them.
2: If you need to kill a zombie and there's no rush, use your melee weapon.
3: If SHTF, break out the firearms.

Generally, (3) will be impossible, as you'll be out of ammo and running around with a melee weapon.

Flashlights are absolutely necessary for dark areas. You cannot hold both a flashlight and a two-handed object at the same time. Fortunately, unlike most other Source games, you can see what your teammates' flashlights are lighting up.

Game Modes:

There are two different game modes: objective, and survival.

Objective is like Objectives Mode from L4D or ZPS, except without the navpoints or glowing markers.

Survival entails guarding a location from the zombie hordes and surviving successive waves. A resupply crate is delivered via helicopter every fourth wave. Killing every zombie on the map before the next wave starts revives everybody. If zombies get into whatever area you're guarding, the area loses integrity. When all areas reach zero integrity, you lose. Or when you all die.

Strategy in Survival Mode generally revolves around hoarding firearms and ammo for later waves, good use of barricades/first aid crates, and looting everything from the resupply crate before the next wave starts. By the later waves, you'll be hoarding melee weapons, too (people die, their melee weapons get lost, etc).


So Yeah.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

I don't recall ever cramming an opinion down anybody's throats. I recall quite the opposite happening. I presented my opinion on the matter. You insist it is wrong, I defend my position, you take a dive in credibility and refuse to even adhere to the general structure of a proper debate, veering into the obscene and weakening your own position by taking out-of-context remarks and arguing those instead.

My previous question to you still stands.

So it is perfectly acceptable for you to defend a position on a subject, yet when I do the same it classifies as stooping to a level of idiocy?

I'd also like to point out that, on the subject of me deluding myself into being so intelligent, you have yet to pose any evidence to the contrary.

[Killer344]

herp derp logic states that an argument is meant to convince your audience of your opinion, which is failing. I dont need to put myself back into the argument if what you say completely, and utterly, doesnt have enough power to make me think otherwise.

Fucking lol'd, that's what politcians do (Who was the dumb idiot that told you that, Wikipedia?). Not someone who has enough brain to realize sugar coating words is irrelevant.

[Demon767]

Fucking lol'd, that's what politcians do (Who was the dumb idiot that told you that, Wikipedia?). Not someone who has enough brain to realize sugar coating words is irrelevant.

It was a joke

I guess it's my own fault after all, I should have known it would put too much strain on their brains.

Why do you still insist on fucking arguing vermillion, let it go.

Acker that looks like a fantastic game! certainly going to try it out after this week

[Killer344]

In fact..... Vermillion_Hawk is about the only one with a consistent argument opinion . I don't know why/how he draws hate towards himself so fast.


Mass Effect 3 came close to making that dream come true, but it couldn't keep up the AAA+ level of narrative quality until the very end.

[acker]

The flaws are....

-lack of official maps (only 4)
-zombies are stupid (well, they're supposed to be stupid, but sometimes they do weird things, especially on non-developer maps)
-bad teammates. Especially the ones that waste all the ammo and waste your time before inevitably dying.

This is to be expected, especially the first two, given the size of the dev team. But I think it's fun nonetheless.

Mass Effect 3 came close to making that dream come true, but it couldn't keep up the AAA+ level of narrative quality until the very end.

There's a lot of Japanese "stuff" out there that do keep quality to the end and feature multiple endings and choices. Closer to novels than Mass Effect, but still.

Believe it or not, I'm not talking about pornography.

Vermillion's argument closely mirrors that of Roger Ebert's opinion on why video games are not "art" and could never be "art". I suggest reading Ebert's arguments, as they're much more nuanced than Vermillion's. Not that I agree with either.

Arguing that one-path stories are inherently superior to multiple-path stories is...difficult.

[Spartan_Marine88]

In fact..... Vermillion_Hawk is about the only one with a consistent argument opinion .

Really killer? So i have said something other then multiple story lines can be well done?


@acker

you tried the recent patch yet? I was just wondering if it cleared up the server lag. And is that douchey clan still plaguing the servers tking people?

_______________________________________ ________________

Fact of the matter is:1. ME3 was poorly done.

2.art/ärt/
Noun:   

  * The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture,...: "the art of the Renaissance"
  *  Works produced by such skill and imagination.

Video games qualify for both of these. One can argue level of skill and imagination, but the visual aspect of them are undeniable as are the many styles and genres.

I by far was not in any way trying to imply that multiple story lines were better then single either, as often the 'wrong' ending is lazy and half-assed, more was pointing out that it CAN be done right.

[acker]

Really killer? So i have said something other then multiple story lines can be well done?


@acker

you tried the recent patch yet? I was just wondering if it cleared up the server lag. And is that douchey clan still plaguing the servers tking people?

I've only played the most recent patch and the very first release. The stuff starts stuttering at wave 13 or so in Survival mode (~150 zombies in that wave, not all at the same time, though, and the stuttering stops after half are dead or so). I don't know if that's server lag or my computer, though (my computer's not that new).

[Sachaztan]

It is not my poor skills of debate that causes my simplistic rebuttals, instead it is the retarded level you have slipped into but as you are clearly enthralled with your own self perceived intellect it is no longer prudent to attempt to converse with you as an equal.

Instead i have found it quicker and easier to converse with you through pictures which i assume is vastly easier for you to understand.

lol you vermillioned vermillion

[Sachaztan]

In fact..... Vermillion_Hawk is about the only one with a consistent argument opinion . I don't know why/how he draws hate towards himself so fast.


Mass Effect 3 came close to making that dream come true, but it couldn't keep up the AAA+ level of narrative quality until the very end.

Because EVERYTHING he writes is verbose and most is also arrogant on top of that ?

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Thanks for your valuable and last-minute contribution, Sach. Next time perhaps I'll write in Neanderthalic script so that I don't inflame your insecurities.

For the record, acker, I'm not claiming that video games are not art. I'm claiming that these interactive movies are not video games. They should be classified in their own type of media is all I'm saying.

[Sachaztan]

Thanks for your valuable and last-minute contribution, Sach. Next time perhaps I'll write in Neanderthalic script so that I don't inflame your insecurities.

For the record, acker, I'm not claiming that video games are not art. I'm claiming that these interactive movies are not video games. They should be classified in their own type of media is all I'm saying.

thx for proving my point mate