Consistentcy in off maps

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[RikiRude]

I was thinking about the different off maps and how they fall into place in eirr. Mainly the v1/tallboy, airplane based off maps, and some intel things.


V1 and Tallboy
First off V1 and tallboy, afaik these are both the exact same thing correct?

I personally think drift needs to be taken off of these thing, they take so long to come in that they ought to land right where you put them. this off map should pretty much be used on stationary targets only. I think if drift was taken off you could even add a few seconds to drop time to balance it. Sure some people say the drift gives it a surprise effect and sometimes you hit gold, but how often does that happen? and it only usually happens when the enemy has no clue where you put it.

Another problem with the v1 and i assume the tallboy as well is damage. right now you can drop a v1 on a 25 pounder, and it can miraculously land a direct hit on it and still not kill it, this is absurd! these should be doing enough damage to take down all stationary targets the allies have, except for maybe emplacement armor/health buffed  triage. Same goes for tall boy, except it shouldnt be able to kill top T4 bunkers. should it be able to kill top T4 88? def the crew, i dont know enough to make a decision on if the 88 gun should be destroyed as well, but probably yes.

And lastly if these two off maps are the exact same, why not have some fun with them and make them a little different? Give the V1 a big fire radius like a nebel in the area it hits, make the tall boy have the ability to pin everything in a 60 range radius around it! It would help make them more interesting.


Airplane Strikes
This includes strafing, bombing, commando strafe, SE strafe, and WP strike. This doesn't include henchel because afaik, the henchels just drop in and shoot, I don't know if they are actually affected by the map size. If HR is map size affected then it is included.

The effectiveness of these is based on the map you use this on. My question is WHY? It's silly that an off map should be more or less effective based on what map you are playing on. Sure 88s, and on map arty are the same, but it isn't as dramatic, either way that's not the point I raise.

Why should my off maps only work best in a 2v2? There has to be a way to make the planes come in from just the strip you place, or why even have a plane at all if it means you can get some consistency in how fast things come down?

Commando Strafe vs SE Strafe
Another case where afaik these are the exact same thing, except SE gets a shit load of fire attached to it. Why do SE get such an incredibly powerful tool and the CW only get a good tool? Another thing where some minor tweaks would make them more interesting. SE strafe is fine in my eyes it decimates an area, and will decrew all support weapons it hits, mostly through the fire damage. Give the CW one more rockets and more splash or the ability to pin units near it. this way these two are a bit more on par.

WP Strike
We have so many threads about this PoS, and many ways to improve it, so I won't get into it. Bottom line is buff this sorry off map. I will simply post my buff to it, keep it the same, except make it like a henchel run, where multiple strikes come in.



So do other people have gripes with some of the off maps, post it here! I will be adding my thoughts on the different types of intel when I get home from work.

[aeroblade56]

commando strike is great. it just makes no sense to give it a third use at like 35 sp...

[Uglysori]

Unlike Typhoon strike, Napalm strike doesn't do much damage to vehicles?  I pretty sure that's the trade-off?  One is anti-inf and area-denial, the other is general purpose?

[Ahnungsloser]

Is it possible to change the white phosphorous strike shells/object into mortar smoke shells with a sort of damage/supress/pin -effect?
It should not be as good as other indirect fire offmaps just a good tactical tool for strategists.


Was there a "old" white phosphorous strike which was overpowered so that it got nerfed in the past? (If yes - What was the difference?
If not.. are you kidding me.. It was always useless?!)

[SophiaT1991]

I agree with the V1 and tallboy comments. Should hit where u aim it.

Only thing I would like changed about airstrikes is that you can aim where the plane comes from.

[Demon767]

Comments about V1 and tallboy WRONG.

It was given scatter so it wouldnt dead on destroy things such as Howizters, Aid stations, 25pndrs ETC. The community QQ and it was changed. It wont change back.

Infact, the Scatter when used on mobile enemy forces, gives you the possibility of hitting something.

[EIRRMod]

Scatter is mah baby.

I love dat scatt.

[SophiaT1991]

But scatter defeats the point of it. In vcoh was used to hit stationary targets.

If scatter is staying then time to arrive should be dropped, can Move ur entire army back to spawn before it arrives right now.

Or made to a t1 ability.

[CrazyWR]

this is not vcoh. And v1s/typhoons are still incredibly deadly, you just need to not send them at completely obvious moveable targets that will clearly be moved.  I've wiped out a pershing,cally, and sherman with 2 v1s in a game before...

[Demon767]

You have over exaggerated the amount of time it takes for a V1/Typhoon to come in. I am disappoint son/daughter.

[SophiaT1991]

this is not vcoh. And v1s/typhoons are still incredibly deadly, you just need to not send them at completely obvious moveable targets that will clearly be moved.  I've wiped out a pershing,cally, and sherman with 2 v1s in a game before...

Obviously this is not vCoH, but let me remind you of the time the germans used V1's on the allies as they advanced on berlin, oh wait they didnt, they used them to pound those immobile cities we all have.

And yeah, we've all wiped out huge blobs and/or high value targets with V1's but we never thought we would actually hit them so when it did hit we all remember it as being wow wtf LAWL amazing and forget the 10x before when u hit that deadly hedge or fence 


V1+Lancaster for stationary.

Firestorm+Typhoon for moving.

Dats how it should be. Just like SE+Napalm and Earthshaker+Anti Inf.

[Demon767]

Comments about V1 and tallboy WRONG.

It was given scatter so it wouldnt dead on destroy things such as Howizters, Aid stations, 25pndrs ETC. The community QQ and it was changed. It wont change back.

Infact, the Scatter when used on mobile enemy forces, gives you the possibility of hitting something.

[SophiaT1991]

Community QQ should not affect fuck all.

[Demon767]

Your sense of logic is way off. Do you know what Majority rules is?

[SophiaT1991]

Their QQ had nothing to do with balance so should not have made anything change. That ability was made for taking out howies, triages and buildings that are being a pain in the arse. Now it has no real use.

[Demon767]

Ok, how about you forget i used the letters QQ.

Better now?

[CrazyWR]

Obviously this is not vCoH, but let me remind you of the time the germans used V1's on the allies as they advanced on berlin, oh wait they didnt, they used them to pound those immobile cities we all have.

And yeah, we've all wiped out huge blobs and/or high value targets with V1's but we never thought we would actually hit them so when it did hit we all remember it as being wow wtf LAWL amazing and forget the 10x before when u hit that deadly hedge or fence 


V1+Lancaster for stationary.

Firestorm+Typhoon for moving.

Dats how it should be. Just like SE+Napalm and Earthshaker+Anti Inf.

actually I do expect them to hit and they hit as expected.  I'm disappointed when it misses...its rare...perhaps you should work on aiming

[Ahnungsloser]

Why not a better damage modifier which allows a V1 to kill a howi in red cover (or damaged one) but not a howi in green cover?
The most people give a shit about the place of the howies and some of them build them right in the middle of the road because in the most cases
it doesn't matter because there are just two possibilities: The opponent does not push forward and will never reach my howitzer or they will rush it and it's dead. (Maybe we can denie at least the "offmap rushing" of it?)


In vCoH it means "Can my howizer survive a firestorm or short baserush" or not. (cover dependent)

[aeroblade56]

tallboys wont kill 88s. they will only deal half damage and decrew.

[RikiRude]

Scatter is mah baby.

I love dat scatt.

lol

i think scatter is fine on other offmaps, but i just don't think it fits v1/tallboy, i was always against the idea of scatter on the v1.

i dont know why people wanted scatter on these thing.

Obviously this is not vCoH, but let me remind you of the time the germans used V1's on the allies as they advanced on berlin, oh wait they didnt, they used them to pound those immobile cities we all have.

And yeah, we've all wiped out huge blobs and/or high value targets with V1's but we never thought we would actually hit them so when it did hit we all remember it as being wow wtf LAWL amazing and forget the 10x before when u hit that deadly hedge or fence  

i agree with this. i too have killed pershings, callis and other things like that, but it was all LUCK, i want the LUCK taken out of my use of an off map. and i want to kill those 25 pounders, howies, and 88s with them damn it!


Also I forgot to ask, does precision strike depend on the map in how long it takes to come down?