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TheWindCriesMary Offline
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2013, 04:24:22 am »

I wasn't misreading anything, I said 'just'. But you seem to have missed that.


I specifically explained why just balancing to one type of player brings with it a multitude of problems. First and foremost: its a dumbass way to sample or get a feel for how a unit will perform in the majority of in-game circumstances. Also, no major RTS in the world is balanced just to best players of that game so I don't know what kind of drugs you're currently on but I'd not recommend doing them and posting on here at the same time.

Think about it logically: it would make the game almost unplayable for average players (who by far make up the 99% of the game's playerbase if it is succesful) if an RTS were balanced  ONLY (emphasis here on ONLY) to the best players of that game. Players who can multitask and simultaneously perform hundreds of commands per minute. Players who practice day in and day out. That's not a realistic representation of the 99+% of people who will be playing the game so a unit that was very hard to use right, but great when used right, would not nearly be as effective as just one example. This is basic reasoning here.

So no, your point was deeply inaccurate.

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Well on a more related note, I wanted to commend Mysthalin on this undertaking, it'd be amazing if a unit performance assessment was always done this thorough by both the public and the BT alike.

I agree with your commendation completely. It's this type of evidence/data based balancing that, in an ideal world, would be mandatory for balance changes in the mod instead of just "everyone on the team gets to voice their opinion regardless of their documentation of experience with said unit" as if it's a happy go lucky colony and nobody is ever biased. It's not wrong to require those who want to advocate for or against a change to a unit without somewhat controlling for basic bias and inexperience.
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Vermillion Hawk: Do you ever make a post that doesnt make you come across as an extreme douchebag?

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Mysthalin Offline
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2013, 05:16:49 am »

Can a mod split away this side discussion and move it to the other AVRE thread? I want this one to be only replays.
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pqumsieh Offline
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2013, 04:49:39 pm »

I'm quite shocked at both Wind and Myst. In Winds previous posts he noted the unit wasnt cost effective. It doesn't appear like the unit is unable to kill things, it just seems like for its cost you have better options.

I responded by saying ok then lets lower its price but for some reason you just both ignored that. Even after saying lets lower its price you yelled at tank saying it wasn't cost effective. So I'm confused, either you are ignoring parts of my posts or just not reading them.

It's funny because any outsider reading this thinks you guys are either blind or over zealous on this issue. My coworkers got a good laugh in fact.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2013, 07:43:46 pm »

Overzealous barely begins to describe it.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2013, 09:45:47 pm »

Tankedit: Lets keep it on topic please
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2013, 09:55:36 pm »

I asked you to keep it on topic ages ago tank - by splitting the messages from the thread. I also want you to take the same approach with PQs blatant passive aggressive bullshit before you selectively chose which posts you moderate.
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2013, 09:36:39 pm »

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I deployed 2 out of 3 avres with wide degrees of sucess.
a few shots we majorly avoided, others that should have did alot did nothing, and some that were right on the mark did what i needed.
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