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PonySlaystation Offline
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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2013, 01:25:42 pm »

Or are you saying that it's a mental disease? Does it preclude homosexuals from being able to do day-to-day jobs the same way downs syndrome would? Does it cause horrific visions and paranoia as psychosis would?

It's the complete opposite of the natural human reproductive process, a birth defect.

So what you are saying is that infertile couples should not be allowed to be married? Same thing for anyone who has a genetic predisposition to develop heart disease at the age of 50?

Healthy couples can adopt children and raise their adopted child, homosexuals can not raise healthy offspring.

Nearly every single animal that exhibits sexual reproduction also exhibits homosexuality. It's quite natural. Morality, on the other hand, is relative. I think it is immoral for religion to exist. Doesn't mean I'm going to go about shouting that all religious people should be sent to concentration camps for "healing", all churches should be burned down and daring to exhibit a love for got become a capital offence. "It's immoral" is a terrible fucking argument.

Birth defects and diseases occur in nature too, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't treat them. Morality is not relative, some things are inherently wrong like murder, theft and rape, just like homosexuality is a crime against nature and should not be accepted.

The state should allow marriage between consenting adults. An animal is not capable of consent or of signing a contract. It, thus, can not be married.

So then why not allow family members to marry? Isn't that the same thing? Horribly wrong and disgusting, but as along as they're happy right? They won't be able to produce healthy non-sterile offspring, thus unable to continue the proliferation of society. Hence why some marriages are illegal.
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2013, 01:31:58 pm »

Yeah you're right pony! Clearly as shown on these forums and by humanity in general straight, non incestuous PROPER couples produce and raise PROPER children with few defects, why, you can see proof of that all around us every day! What a nice and FLAWLESS universe we live in, it's almost to good to be true!
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Sachaztan Offline
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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2013, 01:32:39 pm »

Go home pony you are drunk
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I would also like to add I watch fox news everyday all day and will continue to watch it while being proud of that fact. I'm sure you enjoy your communist news network just as much.
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2013, 01:56:11 pm »

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It's the complete opposite of the natural human reproductive process, a birth defect.

Gay people are perfectly capable of having children and having sex with people of the opposite gender. As evidenced by the countless secretly gay men who have heterosexual families. You know "keeping a beard". At worst you can call it a perversion - but if you chose to abide by that logic you also need to ban anal and oral sex in heterosexual relationships to be consistent in your beliefs.

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Healthy couples can adopt children and raise their adopted child, homosexuals can not raise healthy offspring.

What proof do you have of this? I know plenty straight couples who have raised absolute abominations and disgraces to the human race. Can't say I know many people I could say the same about that have been raised by homosexual couples (of course, that would be due to the fairly low incidence of homosexual families up until this moment in history).

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Birth defects and diseases occur in nature too, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't treat them. Morality is not relative, some things are inherently wrong like murder, theft and rape, just like homosexuality is a crime against nature and should not be accepted.

That is just a load of crap. I can shout out any single fucking thing I want and add it onto your laundry list of nonsense. Such as being born american is a crime against nature and should not be accepted. Or german. Or canadian. I can ascribe absolutely anything to being a crime against nature in a rant based on prejudice and stupidity.

There is no inherent morality and things which are inherently right or wrong. If they were inherently right, or wrong, they would be universal throughout humanity. Unfortunately, human history shows us that there have been plenty of societies where murder, theft and rape were not considered wrong(or at least only wrong with certain caveats). Might is right has by far been the prevalent societal order for pretty much all of human history - and morality was the last thing on the agenda.

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So then why not allow family members to marry? Isn't that the same thing? Horribly wrong and disgusting, but as along as they're happy right? They won't be able to produce healthy non-sterile offspring, thus unable to continue the proliferation of society. Hence why some marriages are illegal.

Incest laws are generally there to protect children from their parents, rather than anything else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_incest#United_States.

And yet again, there is nothing "inherently wrong and disgusting" with it. Pretty much in all of time straight up to the industrial revolution incest with second and third cousins would be the norm, rather than the exception due to the fact transportation was the way it was. Wouldn't have been the norm if it was so "inherently" morally reprehensible. Don't just assume that because YOU find something disgusting everyone forever must have, and will forever, think the same.

Plus it is still not an argument. One does not equal the other. It's like saying that me allowing you to have one of my beers automatically means you are entitled to take every single beer that I ever buy directly from my hand.

(Note, I do not advocate incest of any kind. Nowadays we have the capacity to travel and meet people and we know better what the risks are if incestuous sex produces offspring. Stick to sticking your dick in strangers).
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rolcsika0128 Offline
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2013, 01:58:32 pm »

Both Myst and Pony are right in my opinion. Myst represents the Liberal way of thinking, whereas Pony on the contrary represents Conservatives. Nothing wrong with that. I can agree with both.
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Sachaztan Offline
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2013, 02:02:52 pm »

Both Myst and Pony are right in my opinion. Myst represents the Liberal way of thinking, whereas Pony on the contrary represents Conservatives. Nothing wrong with that. I can agree with both.

The only way both could be right is if truth is relative
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rolcsika0128 Offline
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2013, 02:11:09 pm »

In this case it is, at least for me.
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nikomas Offline
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2013, 02:15:06 pm »

Both Myst and Pony are right in my opinion. Myst represents the Liberal way of thinking, whereas Pony on the contrary represents Conservatives. Nothing wrong with that. I can agree with both.
How can you agree with both at once? Agreeing with one side on this matter pretty much excludes you from holding the beliefs of the other, it'd be like claiming to be an atheist catholic christian, or a capitalist communist.

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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2013, 02:15:45 pm »

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Healthy couples can adopt children and raise their adopted child, homosexuals can not raise healthy offspring.
Actually, studies have shown that having homosexual parents does not in any way weigh on a childs upbringing. The theory that gay parents are bad for a child's development is just a petty scaremongering tactic used by the Right. (And no, a child raised by gay parents is not more likely to become gay)

Also, homosexuality has been shown to occur in the animal kingdom just as well, just in case someone decides to bring up the 'it's against nature because there's no homosexual animals' argument.
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rolcsika0128 Offline
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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2013, 02:20:33 pm »

How can you agree with both at once? Agreeing with one side on this matter pretty much excludes you from holding the beliefs of the other, it'd be like claiming to be an atheist catholic christian, or a capitalist communist.



Nope... It depends on your point of view. I personally don't give a damn about gay marriage. But I can understand Pony's concerns aswell.
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TheWindCriesMary Offline
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2013, 02:20:46 pm »

If you're against gay marriage, you're an idiot.

Good luck being one of those ridiculus clowns people make fun of 30 years from now when gay marriage is as obvious a basic civil right as black people or women being able to vote. In a few decades, the beliefs you have right now about how homosexuality is wrong and gay marriage should be illegal will be the exact beliefs people will have a hard time believing anyone with a functioning brain ever seriously held.

The human condition and common sense is going to leave that kind of outdated, inane nonsense firmly in the past where slavery and segregation and religious superstitions now currently reside.

Don't keep that kind of company.
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TheWindCriesMary Offline
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2013, 02:21:45 pm »

Nope... It depends on your point of view. I personally don't give a damn about gay marriage. But I can understand Pony's concerns aswell.

His concerns are completely illogical and completely unsupported by even a single piece of substantive empirical evidence, research or data.

It's like saying "i can understand his concerns that fire breathing dragons live in far away lands"
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rolcsika0128 Offline
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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2013, 02:25:54 pm »

His concerns are completely illogical and completely unsupported by even a single piece of substantive empirical evidence, research or data.

It's like saying "i can understand his concerns that fire breathing dragons live in far away lands"

Once again: it's a question of political belief: conservatives have always been against radical change. But you can't judge them for it. I mean seriously, he believes that gay marriage is wrong, it's his OPINION, you can't say he is stupid for having a different opinion....
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nikomas Offline
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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2013, 02:31:34 pm »

Once again: it's a question of political belief: conservatives have always been against radical change. But you can't judge them for it. I mean seriously, he believes that gay marriage is wrong, it's his OPINION, you can't say he is stupid for having a different opinion....
Not fault them for that? Yeah... Honestly, why should we fault anyone for the ideals and opinions they hold, it's not like it ever caused trouble for everyone else when a bunch of extremists decide to act on their opinions!

Even then, free speech aside one should ALWAYS call people out on blatant misinformation and poorly researched "Truth" that pony is spreading here, just like people need to call out certain news networks when they do the same. See, it's never a problem if a certain set of individuals hold a belief as long as they do it within reasonable law, but if they use blatant lies and scaremongering to convince people then that is a problem or hell, like in wind's example below it's a blatantly criminal and violates what most civilized society would call basic human rights.

You'd rather live under sharia law because that is the majority opinion of certain places in the world, it's their opinion that it is the correct way to live is it not? Going by what you say that's fine because it's their opinion, even if it grossly treads on what a lot of us would call human rights.
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TheWindCriesMary Offline
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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2013, 02:32:15 pm »

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I mean seriously, he believes that gay marriage is wrong, it's his OPINION, you can't say he is stupid for having a different opinion.

Are you kidding me? Of course I can say he is stupid for having a stupid opinion. Sure he has a right to have whatever opinion he wants, no matter how stupid, but he's still an absolute, utter dumbass for having that opinion.

Want an example? There are people in Africa who think that having sex with a virgin will cure their aids. Some of them think that, becase virgins are hard to find, that this means they should rape babies. This isn't a joke, it's something some people actually believe because bulshit fake science and superstition has been crammed down their throats.

This opinion is not based in any kind of science, reason or critical thinking. It's a product of a lack of education and understanding.

But if they believe that nonsense, they are an idiot. I'm not being PC about it because I don't care.


Pony believes equally idiotic nonsense that is not even the least bit routed in any kind of data, evidence or research findings.

Just imagine your self using the exact argument you just used to defend Hitler's view that jews needed to be exterminated in order to keep the Aryan race pure:

" it's his OPINION, you can't say he is stupid for having a different opinion."

Rolc, use your head man.
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