COH2 Balance Discussion

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[Spartan_Marine88]

T34 ram makes me want to pull my hair out. Nothing like instantly disabling your T4 panther with a tank half it's cost. grr...

use a faust

[pqumsieh]

AOE weapons ignore retreat modifiers. Flamethrowers are AOE weapons.

[nikomas]

AOE weapons ignore retreat modifiers. Flamethrowers are AOE weapons.

Uhm... I just had a flamethrower kill a retreating squad and why shouldn't it?

[Spartan_Marine88]

well after the last patch i can't play anymore. Matches won't load, (kicks me back to the launcher with a 'please wait') And even the performance test won't load.

[nikomas]

Because all the Halftracks can chase retreating squads perfectly, and all Halftracks can have a flamethrower; as a result it doesn't matter if you retreat a full health squad when one gets near you, that squad is most likely going to die, and that is stupid (do you not see how stupid it is?).

No, given the fact that almost all artillery and grenades have a decent change to OHKO squads.

[aeroblade56]

i lost more units to mortar shells. that rape me as i retreat.

[Marlboroman]

Yes, but this is just silly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11tlVCwPHnE

No unit should be able to effectively chase and kill retreating units, it makes attrition too easy.

one could argue the same point on unkillable retreating squads.

[nikomas]

They shouldn't be unkillable, just they should not be as easy to kill a they currently are by flamethrowers becuase keeping units alive is a huge part of COH.

The high amount of OHKO squad wipers of CoH2 would disagree with you.

[TheVolskinator]

Mkkkay.

The Elefant. I get that it was slow IRL. But it's nearly useless in its current iteration. Yeah, it two shots T34s. But I can get two StuGs that do the same thing for ~= or less cost, and fire an a rediculous rate, and get a top mounted MG. For less pop. Doctrineless.

Shock troops...dafuq, bullet resistant Stalinwood armor from War Thunder or something? Come on.

Panzergrenadiers' dual shrecks taking about 1/6th the health of a T-34 off...uhhhh, I could have sworn dual shrecks were the terror of any Allied player in vCoH if they caught you with your trousers down.

Datdatdatdat Maxim. That can't kill anything. Even with vet. And I can then cap an MG42, with 6 men in the recrew (as the Soviets) and get a death laser with no vet that ALSO gets the equivilant of AP rounds.

The Panther. Nuff' said.

The SU76 and SU 85 seem out of place and pretty useless at T4, when I can get ZiS ATGs at T2 that do the same thing with no fuel cost. All I've seen, from both ends, is the SU 76 fail miserably to penetrate a StuG or offer half decent infantry support.

The P4 IST, being armed with the short 75mm, can't hit infantry worth a damn. I see an issue with this.

[EliteGren]

Why is the KV-1 in the Campaign but not the Multiplayer?

Because it's most likely doctrinal and there are doctrines missing. Duh...

[CrazyWR]

volski what p4ist are you talking about?  The p4 from the t3 building works really well.  I've been very happy with them...

[skaffa]

prolly the p4 command tank

[brn4meplz]

yeah the Command tank is the short 75.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Doing some broadcasting

http://www.twitch.tv/spartan_marine88/

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Epic link man.

[Tymathee]

I'm downloading as we speak (or already downloaded, probably) and will play this when i get home...i'll probably suck but i'll have fun

[Spartan_Marine88]

going live people

[nikomas]

Short barrel command tank, bad?

It fires noticeably than a regular PzIV and has more splash on it's hits while also still being able to reliably penetrate T34's, it's actually better than your regular PzIV in all things but fighting heavy Armour.

[TheVolskinator]

Would we (the community) be interested in different or modified Soviet infantry (and likely Germans as well) for EiR2? E.g., Penal troops being cheap throwaways and Guards being armed with premium SVT and AVT40s, more ready supplies of DP machine guns, and so on? I'm prepared to draw up several squads and according stats for the purpose.

HINT HINT there were Soviet Paratroops deployed in real life that would make stunning CQB infantry armed with submachine guns and so on--'Shock Troops' as shown in CoH2 simply never existed, only normal infantry outfits and Engineers (EF team got it right) with body armor (that was about 80% resistant to 9mm rounds at 75-100m) and SMGs. The paratroops were also highly skilled, with a single division of them being able to hurl back 2-3 German ones around an airfield in Russia (I'll dig up sources for the barrage of 'nuh uhhhh!' s that are sure to come my way).

EDIT: ^This being in contrast to the Western Allies who needed a ratio of 120:100 in Allied:German infantrymen to overcome German positions, or to beat German units in any capacity, in Italy and Normandy.

[I2ay]

There were elite American units too...Are you trying to say that there weren't any western allied units that were on par with german troops? Or are you trying to say that overall the Russian army was more effective per man against the germans than the western allies? Both of those are wrong btw.