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aeroblade56 Offline
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« on: February 24, 2014, 04:07:20 am »

Why don't the CW get snipers?.

why does this faction not receive a sniper?, especially since PE now has a sniper.

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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 04:16:18 am »

Because asymetrical balance is fun.

There's also commando sniper.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 04:19:04 am »

Because asymetrical balance is fun.

There's also commando sniper.

Commando sniper is doctrinal not factional.

and now also Pops smoke at vet 1.
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NightRain Offline
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 04:34:24 am »

recon marksman is the CW Sniper.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 04:40:26 am »

recon marksman is the CW Sniper.

orlly?. so for 6 pool i can snipe 1 unit in probably a 30 range every like 3 minutes?.

Seems legit.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 05:33:59 am »

FJ sniper as a standard unit is a mistake - it should be a reward unit.

Recon sqaud is CW sniper. With amazing attributes: cant be counter sniped, can snipe from bren carrier, is able to fight a bike back.

Pretty funny to know: Before these new docs there was the old terror of stalingrad, where Grens could buy a snipe shot. The allied tears about this were amazing.
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 05:56:31 am »

Only reason PE was given a sniper was to give them some form of Solid support weapon counter. The only two elements they had before hand was just mortar HT and Stuka. Two forms of indirect fire platforms. Their flanking is not enough powerful of a tool, thus they recieved a faction sniper.
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 01:36:31 pm »

Only reason PE was given a sniper was to give them some form of Solid support weapon counter. The only two elements they had before hand was just mortar HT and Stuka. Two forms of indirect fire platforms. Their flanking is not enough powerful of a tool, thus they recieved a faction sniper.

Uh yea... all of PE support is pretty much vehicle based and vulnerable to ATG creep.  Only standard tool across the doctrines in the form of indirect was Mortar HT with its short range and the shit Stuka barrage.  Sniper was supposed to give them another counter against support weapon spam.   
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 06:22:57 am »

Commando sniper is doctrinal not factional.

and now also Pops smoke at vet 1.

The doctrine is factional.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2014, 04:00:48 pm »

At this point we've given every faction a sniper, just round it out and let the limeys get one.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 04:11:18 pm »

At this point we've given every faction a sniper, just round it out and let the limeys get one.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 04:15:11 pm »

Recon marksman is the CW Sniper.

First you get a combat squad and then after you lose some men you have a 1 pop cooldown sniper. Combine with a few more 1 or 2 man recon squads and you've got a stable killing machine.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 05:16:55 pm »

Recon marksman is the CW Sniper.

First you get a combat squad and then after you lose some men you have a 1 pop cooldown sniper. Combine with a few more 1 or 2 man recon squads and you've got a stable killing machine.
are you slow or something ?
So your saying for me to have an effective non doctrinal sniper, I first must spend 240mp 45mu and 5 pop.
I then must loose a few men from said squad and then and only then do I have an "effective" non doc sniper.
whose shots are on a 180s cooldown?.

Yeh you should definatly read out loud before you post pony to avoid this in the future
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 05:36:23 pm »

I think you misunderstand, it also duals as a great combat unit. It's like terror of stalingrad. Fight, get a few kills then use a few of them as low pop snipers. Probably one of the best units in the mod and favored by some of the best CW players (wind, myst etc).
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2014, 05:40:35 pm »

The only time recons become a decent mainlinr inf unit is RCA top t4 coupled with an lt and vet 3 so sniper comes down to a cooldown of 90s
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2014, 06:16:35 pm »

its to highpool for the unit.

its 7 pool. for a unit that has enfields( one of the worst rifles ingame)  that can snipe 1 unit every some minutes. once you add in officers you might aswell forget pool in general.

in comparison you can have thompsons on rangers on a elite squad and i think make the same pool.
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NightRain Offline
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2014, 12:34:17 am »

its to highpool for the unit.

its 7 pool. for a unit that has enfields( one of the worst rifles ingame)  that can snipe 1 unit every some minutes. once you add in officers you might aswell forget pool in general.

in comparison you can have thompsons on rangers on a elite squad and i think make the same pool.

I don't think I have to explain to you why Recon squad is only 7 pool.

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2014, 12:36:24 am »

I don't think I have to explain to you why Recon squad is only 7 pool.

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currently we are testing units without doctrines. i see no reason for this unit its fine with doctrines and at vet 3 without doctrines it's pretty shit.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2014, 12:50:23 am »

currently we are testing units without doctrines. i see no reason for this unit its fine with doctrines and at vet 3 without doctrines it's pretty shit.

Very well, it seems I DO have to explain to you why recon unit is 7 pool.

240 manpower 45 munition. 5 pop.
Unit has 5 members
Unit has Soldier armor
Unit has 4 Enfields 1 modified enfield
Ability to snipe a member every few minutes

Alone this doesn't sound like much, it sounds almost underperforming. In reality this tommysquad isn't bad. It has higher line of sight than any other infantry squad. Now imagine a company where there are 18 of these guys. Two recon squads on field 10 pop. Effectively removes 50% of enemy firepower with one volley. With officer and such this squad performs exactly the same as any other unupgraded tommy squad. It does not lose its sniper ability when it is down to 1 member. Now imagine 3 recon squads. 15 pop, ability to take out a support weapon and 75% of enemy squad strength. Naturally not all enemy squads are 4 men, there are few of those 5 men ones in forms of Pzgrens and volksgrenadiers which recon squad can properly engage and fight against.

To sum this up.

Cheap Spammable Sniper unit. This is why it is 7 pool.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2014, 02:32:45 pm »

I agree. Recon tommies should be 1 pool max. I'll come back to EiRR if this happens.
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