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[GrayWolf]

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[I2ay]

Between Tank and Grawyolf, I can't decide who I want to call a dumb ass...

[GrayWolf]

I can't decide who I want to call a dumb ass...

The answer is : Wind

Let's go back to the thread

[XIIcorps]

The answer is : Wind

Let's go back to the thread

don't bring him into it he who cannot defend himself.

[chefarzt]

Let me be direct : Hitler have done lot of good stuff for Germany.

Yeah thx  for Autobahn and millions of Dead. Such hurt, brain bleeds.
Also thanks to Pol Pot for killing all these fags wearing glasses.
Ure the first to qualify for euthanasia.

[tank130]

GrayWolf, you still have not enlightened us as to what Hitler did well as a politician. Other then being one of the most vial, cruel dictators in history ( I said one of, not the only)


Lets try this. I will give you free, unlimited reward units for one day. Then I will perma ban you from our launcher and our game.

Then you can spend your remaining days telling everyone about all the good I did for you...................... It won;t matter that I wiped you from the face of the launcher, as long as I did something good first, then it all OK.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Lets try this. I will give you free, unlimited reward units for one day. Then I will perma ban you from our launcher and our game.

Then you can spend your remaining days telling everyone about all the good I did for you...................... It won;t matter that I wiped you from the face of the launcher, as long as I did something good first, then it all OK.

Can i take up that offer too?

[chefarzt]

Lets try this. I will give you free, unlimited reward units for one day. Then I will perma ban you from our launcher and our game.

Then you can spend your remaining days telling everyone about all the good I did for you...................... It won;t matter that I wiped you from the face of the launcher, as long as I did something good first, then it all OK.

That, Tank, was close to brilliant.

[EIRRMod]

Nice perspective from that post tank130.

Saying Hitler was a good politician, is like saying....

Hitler...
was....
a.....
good......
politician.

I.... am breaking my full-stop key on my keyboard my brain hurts so much.......

Everyone else sees what Graywolf is posting right?  Im not hallucinating?

[nikomas]

[Insert Joke about politicans being evil, thus Hitler was the greatest of great politicans]

[CrazyWR]

I'm a little confused how anyone from Poland especially could have that opinion, but I'm not Polish, so maybe I just don't understand.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Saying Hitler was a good politician

Hitler WAS a good politician, and orator.

Just because he was a mastermind of evil and a hateful man doesn't change the facts. Hitler went from a lowly soldier, to becoming the head of a minor party in Germany, he had then maneuvered his party in control of Germany through an democratic election.

Dismissing the qualities of a man and ignoring his rise is extremely dangerous towards our future, his rise to power is quite similar in lots of ways to how Putin has come to power (aka. we could have stoped this long ago). Check your biases at the door, do some research, if Hitler hadn't done good for Germany at the time it wouldn't have gone from dirt poor to an industrialized power house that took on half the world in war.

Should you respect Hitler? No, of course not. Should you understand that he was a genius Orator and very intelligent? Yes. Understanding what happened is so important. As is why. A lot of people here seem heavily biased or just plain ignorant of facts.

[CrazyWR]

I'm not sure anyone is disputing he was excellent at oration or manipulation, only that he was a positive force...

[XIIcorps]

I'm not sure anyone is disputing he was excellent at oration or manipulation, only that he was a positive force...

he was positive in the sense he revolutionised and overhauled an entire nations manufacturing and fabrication sector to the point where it took on half the world.

[brn4meplz]

Hitler orchestrated a good economic recovery while the world was in Depression.

Stalin... not so much, but still economic recovery.

Saddam set in motion the best literacy rate growth in human history in Iraq.

'Bad' people can do good things. The motivation in most cases is Warfare, but it doesn't make the progress any less remarkable and beneficial.

[GrayWolf]

I once read in the "Policy" article about you creating an alternative history.  If Hitler had died after 1933, And before World War II, it probably would have gone down in history as a very good politician - He lifted the country out of recession.  In his madness he also weakened the USSR. He had done sth even bigger - motivated the country to joint action. Additionally, he armed country and has built the most powerful and strongest army in the world.
He Occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, then moved on. In France, they almost immediately hoisted a white flag. Acquire such land - something amazing.
Public Speaking. Who would not want to be listened to what he says? I must admit - Hitler could speak to the crowd. Apparently each instance was carefully prepared and every gesture and word planned. Hitler was a brand.

I stress that I have found pros, does not mean that I support what he did. Simply using the cut-off skills from some of the facts, I looked at some things from a greater distance.

I'm a little confused how anyone from Poland especially could have that opinion, but I'm not Polish, so maybe I just don't understand.

Right, because I'm Pole, I also must hate UK and France for not helping us in 1939, Russia for betraying us every fucking time and all the lands which Poland had have before "independence biatch".
Most of the Poles have simillar opinion. We all KNOW, that Hitler was a bad person, but before it had happened, He was a good politican and not bad strategist.

[XIIcorps]

I once read in the "Policy" article about you creating an alternative history.  If Hitler had died after 1933, And before World War II, it probably would have gone down in history as a very good politician - He lifted the country out of recession.  In his madness he also weakened the USSR. He had done sth even bigger - motivated the country to joint action. Additionally, he armed country and has built the most powerful and strongest army in the world.
He Occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, then moved on. In France, they almost immediately hoisted a white flag. Acquire such land - something amazing.
Public Speaking. Who would not want to be listened to what he says? I must admit - Hitler could speak to the crowd. Apparently each instance was carefully prepared and every gesture and word planned. Hitler was a brand.

I stress that I have found pros, does not mean that I support what he did. Simply using the cut-off skills from some of the facts, I looked at some things from a greater distance.

Right, because I'm Pole, I also must hate UK and France for not helping us in 1939, Russia for betraying us every fucking time and all the lands which Poland had have before "independence biatch".
Most of the Poles have simillar opinion. We all KNOW, that Hitler was a bad person, but before it had happened, He was a good politican and not bad strategist.

The French did not immediately hoist a white flag you ignoramus.
They relied on their Maginot Defensive line, which the Germans largely bypassed via Holland and Belgium aside from the odd skirmish at the line to keep the defenders occupied.

On the ground the French forces were largely superior to the germans, except for tactics in which the germans blitzkrieg was unsurpassed.

[nikomas]

On the ground the French forces were largely superior to the germans, except for tactics in which the germans blitzkrieg was unsurpassed.

Uh... Unless my memory mistakes me at this early hour the Germans had an advantage in just about every area possible.

French Leadership and Strategy was Poor aside from a few notable exceptions. (de Gaulle etc.)
French Tactics were stuck in Trench Warfare and French Training wasn't the best either iirc.

The French airforce was inferior to the German one as well iirc, the main French fighter (MS 406) was inferior to the german bf's and the Arenals/Dewonites that could match them were not available in strength, they also did not have the airtactics to equal the ones the germans had already developed and practice against the Poles.

While it is true that French tanks held superiority over German ones on an individual basis, French armored tactics and usage of said tanks was so poor any advantage they gave was moot and void. The French were good and truly fucked, The Maginot line is only the most famous of their fuckups.


Put another way, the French during WWII is the best possible modern example of Victory Disease, winning WWI basically set them up to losing so badly in WWII. By the time the realized they were in danger it was far, far to late.

[XIIcorps]

Uh... Unless my memory mistakes me at this early hour the Germans had an advantage in just about every area possible.

French Leadership and Strategy was Poor aside from a few notable exceptions. (de Gaulle etc.)
French Tactics were stuck in Trench Warfare and French Training wasn't the best either iirc.

The French airforce was inferior to the German one as well iirc, the main French fighter (MS 406) was inferior to the german bf's and the Arenals/Dewonites that could match them were not available in strength, they also did not have the airtactics to equal the ones the germans had already developed and practice against the Poles.

While it is true that French tanks held superiority over German ones on an individual basis, French armored tactics and usage of said tanks was so poor any advantage they gave was moot and void. The French were good and truly fucked, The Maginot line is only the most famous of their fuckups.


Put another way, the French during WWII is the best possible modern example of Victory Disease, winning WWI basically set them up to losing so badly in WWII. By the time the realized they were in danger it was far, far to late.

That's what I ment.
Unit per unit French were superior.

Combined arms the Germans simply swatted them.

To this day I still look at those Somua S40 tanks with admiration.

[nikomas]

Uhm... No, my point was that on a unit to unit basis the Germans far outclasses the French, your average Landser was better trainied and possibly had real combat experience unlike/compared to their French counterparts. The tanks is just about the only relevant area were the French had any superiority on a vehicle to vehicle basis, but that advantage was null and void due to the poor tactical usage of said advantage. Thus German armored forces in particular were vastly superior to their French counterparts.

Doesn't matter if you have superior weapons if you don't know how to use them, the French didn't, so they were made mostly irrelevant.