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Question: Remove pool for a set period of time as a test
You son of a slutbag, yes
You son of a slutbag, no
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2014, 09:40:39 am »

If it gets a good number of oldtimers to start up the mod again and even temporarily increase our player numbers it's already a good idea I suppose. It's very little effort to change the numbers so it may be worth it for a temporary gig at least. In the long term though, I think there is no denying that an availability system is needed. We had several years without any availability mechanic in place that have more than proven that.
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Hicks58 Offline
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2014, 10:09:55 am »

I'd have no objections, and the public clearly wants it for better or worse.

Player levels are in the gutter at the moment, so I'd say reactivate T4 doctrines and unhook the pool for a while.

Would it be unbalanced? Probably. It'd probably be unbalanced to fuck, especially whilst people are learning the spam counters. Would people enjoy it? That's the question, and one that we won't know until we try it.

Of course, the final decision rests with the SDT, but I feel no need to keep my stance on the matter hidden as this is something that can be just as easily turned back on if it turns out to be detrimental.
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I mean I know Obama was the first one in EiR to get a card. and tbfh the Race card is pretty OP. but Romney has the K.K.K., those guys seem to camo anywhere. So OP units from both sides.
At the end of the day, however, stormtroopers finally got the anal invasion with a cactus they have richly deserved for years.
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The very best player of one of the four factions.

« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2014, 10:31:21 am »

all these talks.. just do it, remove dem pool, spam is today, spam will be here and torrow does not matter if there is a pool or not, just removing pool will bring more happy moments
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I feel like if Smokaz and Shab met up it would be a 50/50 tossup to see which one of them robbed the other first.
Tries to convince people he's a good guy,says things like this. Scumbag Shab.
shockcoil Offline
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2014, 10:47:18 am »

You seriously believe removing pool will result in LOWER player numbers? Seriously? Removal of something that limits you, will make you leave? Sorry tank, but removing a limitation will not make people leave. No one likes limitations. Rather the opposite, I know of several players who will be back incase this change goes through. Smokaz, Mysthalin, David, Killer, I can guarantee you, you will see all these guys be back for atleast a couple of games. And then leave again because of lacklustre doctrines..but that's beside the point. What you are falsely portraying here as a "killing blow" is infact more of a rescue operation, considering the player numbers. This mod was more than doing fine without any form of availability, for years.

If you don't believe me, just look at the pool results, 3/4 of the people who are left and care are in favor of being able to build your companies like they want to, without being cockblocked by some retarded system that bottlenecks your company composition.

Furthermore, isn't it ironic how the guy talking about the people who whine, whines himself about those people? And who are those shadow people you are talking about? I realize you yourself don't approve of spam companies, but the truth is, people have always envisioned what kind of company they want to run. And this often means having an abundance of certain units (airborne players want to play with what unit mostly? You guessed it) and when there is no complete freedom then that is detrimental. So what if they want to run 40 Airborne? Let them do it, damn it, no one likes limitations. People do not like being forced into something. Do you like being forced? I assume not.

Of course there will always be people whining about the spam. The ugly truth: This comes from mediocre players who have fuck all of an idea on how to adapt, these are the people who actually need to learn 2 fucking play.

This would be true, if spam was OP. If a player sucks ass, he will not suddenly start beating better players because he spams some unit. Spam builds frequently leave themselves exposed in certain areas and its nigh impossible to run one that can handle everything. And if that's the case, then it can be fixed by changing the unit or doctrine ability, not limit how many times you can purchase that unit.

This entire point just reeks of "this is spam, it is OP and I don't want to adapt"-shallowness, in the vein of 'If I lose, blame it on the spam', and totally disregarding other points, like you know, you having sucked balls in the game or you making bad decisions in the game or in your company composition. Please now..

Don't get me wrong tank. I don't want anything bad for this mod. I still care, and this is the longest post I have written here in years. I am convinced this change is a step in the right direction, EIR is nothing more than a platform for a few people who are left playing an old game for nostalgia right now. This can be changed, and I believe this is one of the first steps that needs to be taken to make it happen. The other one: let salan do the freaking doctrines. He can't make them any worse than they already are
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2014, 11:40:03 am »

We screwed up some balance changes and essential killed the mod. Now you are suggesting we really fuck it up by removing the pool system with out a viable alternative - sounds well thought out.

Seriously?

So you want to make the game a big fuck fest of spam and gimmicks because some people need to L2P and can't win with out gimmicks & spam?

The same 10 guys that spam our forums QQ about  "the good old days" are the same 10 people that QQ'd back then about gimmicks & spam. Pretty much the same 10 guys who dodge any real challenging games and stomp noobs.

But hey, we decided to completely change the meta game with some massive changes to balance that essentially resulted in the lowest numbers in Eirr's history, so why not just completely kill it with a dumbass move like removing pool.

Which balance changes? Because it was a lot more interesting prior to the R003 patch despite needing a little tweaking. The mod continues to move toward boring, unflavorful units and the warmap system as it stands is still completely broken.
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tank130 Offline
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2014, 06:20:09 pm »

I frankly just don't give a fuck anymore to be honest. This community is full of a bunch of mindless idiots with memories like two year olds.

You guys remember one tiny fleeting second of something from the past and think we should just revert the whole fucking game that moment when you stomped someone with a gimmick.

This mod started on it's way to death when we caved to the vocal minority in the community who wanted to make this their elitist little mod group and say fuck you to all the new players. Bullshit like "Oh I had to pay my dues, so every new player must as well" or uncontrolled stomps.

Now those same people want their batshit crazy shit again "because it was fun". It is that attitude that drove this mod into the ground.

Whatever, change it to the fuck fest you want and lets just watch it die.
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2014, 06:56:02 pm »

I frankly just don't give a fuck anymore to be honest. This community is full of a bunch of mindless idiots with memories like two year olds.

You guys remember one tiny fleeting second of something from the past and think we should just revert the whole fucking game that moment when you stomped someone with a gimmick.

This mod started on it's way to death when we caved to the vocal minority in the community who wanted to make this their elitist little mod group and say fuck you to all the new players. Bullshit like "Oh I had to pay my dues, so every new player must as well" or uncontrolled stomps.

Now those same people want their batshit crazy shit again "because it was fun". It is that attitude that drove this mod into the ground.

Whatever, change it to the fuck fest you want and lets just watch it die.

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2014, 07:13:10 pm »

I frankly just don't give a fuck anymore to be honest. This community is full of a bunch of mindless idiots with memories like two year olds.

You guys remember one tiny fleeting second of something from the past and think we should just revert the whole fucking game that moment when you stomped someone with a gimmick.

This mod started on it's way to death when we caved to the vocal minority in the community who wanted to make this their elitist little mod group and say fuck you to all the new players. Bullshit like "Oh I had to pay my dues, so every new player must as well" or uncontrolled stomps.

Now those same people want their batshit crazy shit again "because it was fun". It is that attitude that drove this mod into the ground.

Whatever, change it to the fuck fest you want and lets just watch it die.
You would do well to remember your standing in this forum and the position you hold.

How is your disregard for forum standards, guidlines and rules for you to just belligerently cuss and use derogatory terms towards the community.

If your going to hold the rest of us to a high standard tank maybe you could lead the charge and loose the outright hypocrisy your displaying as of late.
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tank130 Offline
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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2014, 08:00:54 pm »

You would do well to remember your standing in this forum and the position you hold.

How is your disregard for forum standards, guidlines and rules for you to just belligerently cuss and use derogatory terms towards the community.

If your going to hold the rest of us to a high standard tank maybe you could lead the charge and loose the outright hypocrisy your displaying as of late.

Or I could tell you to go fuck yourself and watch you QQ about it........ Feel free to create your own forums and run them as you see fit. I will be sure to stop by and let you know how you should run them  Wink

Oh snivel snivel, double standard - go cry to your mommy XIIcorps, she may actually give a shit about your opinion.
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Alpha TIG Offline
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2014, 08:06:26 pm »

You would do well to remember your standing in this forum and the position you hold.

How is your disregard for forum standards, guidlines and rules for you to just belligerently cuss and use derogatory terms towards the community.

If your going to hold the rest of us to a high standard tank maybe you could lead the charge and loose the outright hypocrisy your displaying as of late.

Isn't it kinda hypocritical of you to have just broken rules 4 (take issues to pm's) and 5 (follow the guidelines of the dispute forums)? Issues with Tank130 should be pm'd to EIRRmod, not posted on the forums.

ALL of us here are hypocrites (especially me for breaking many rules with this exact post), so don't act all high and mighty about it. In fact you're pretty much proven wrong about your statement of how Tank holds us all to high standards seeing as he lets so much rule breaking (such as this) go unpunished.

Tank is a volunteer who pumps lots of money into this mod while also receiving the most flack out of anyone here; as such if he wants to scream and shout I see no issue in that as he is the most deserving out of everyone here of that luxury; in fact he is free to use me as a punching bag seeing as venting his rage here just results in comments like yours and even more rage.
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Stop fucking with the mod and doing shit you know you shouldn't do

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aeroblade56 Offline
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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2014, 08:50:55 pm »

Or I could tell you to go fuck yourself and watch you QQ about it........ Feel free to create your own forums and run them as you see fit. I will be sure to stop by and let you know how you should run them  Wink

Oh snivel snivel, double standard - go cry to your mommy XIIcorps, she may actually give a shit about your opinion.

2 bad you cant be more like  Andy44.
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shockcoil Offline
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2014, 08:53:04 pm »

Since you think this mod is on a downward spiral because of recent changes, I'm curious tank, what do you think was the heyday of the mod? Having played through most iterations I recall the most active times being in vEIR and a bit after EIRR was first introduced, a cursory glance shows most page views was achieved in April 2008 which was during vEIR. Incidentally we had pretty batshit doctrines and no availability then. Now I'm not saying they were the reason for the activity but at the same time I'm also not seeing this correlation between spam and inactivity.

I'm also curious what you think exactly about the recent changes has caused the inactivity. Admittedly I have not played much recently but I'm not seeing where this pandering to the vocal minority has come from. Disabling doctrines and messing around with base units seems directly contrary to what the forum has been whining about. From my point of view the dev team has done a good job sticking to their own agenda and timeline rather than give in to the forums. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, I'm just not seeing your point about pandering. I could be wrong though I haven't really kept up with recent events.
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XIIcorps Offline
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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2014, 09:03:45 pm »

Or I could tell you to go fuck yourself and watch you QQ about it........ Feel free to create your own forums and run them as you see fit. I will be sure to stop by and let you know how you should run them  Wink

Oh snivel snivel, double standard - go cry to your mommy XIIcorps, she may actually give a shit about your opinion.
wont see me qq'ing mate. I frankly dont give a fuck anymore,  this mod just seems to be a demolition derby of egos.

Do what you will you egotistical hypocritical ponce, eir will flourish one way or another.

Oh hey windcriesmary
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tank130 Offline
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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2014, 09:47:59 pm »

Since you think this mod is on a downward spiral because of recent changes, I'm curious tank, what do you think was the heyday of the mod? Having played through most iterations I recall the most active times being in vEIR and a bit after EIRR was first introduced, a cursory glance shows most page views was achieved in April 2008 which was during vEIR. Incidentally we had pretty batshit doctrines and no availability then. Now I'm not saying they were the reason for the activity but at the same time I'm also not seeing this correlation between spam and inactivity.

I'm also curious what you think exactly about the recent changes has caused the inactivity. Admittedly I have not played much recently but I'm not seeing where this pandering to the vocal minority has come from. Disabling doctrines and messing around with base units seems directly contrary to what the forum has been whining about. From my point of view the dev team has done a good job sticking to their own agenda and timeline rather than give in to the forums. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, I'm just not seeing your point about pandering. I could be wrong though I haven't really kept up with recent events.

Ah.... finally, someone with something intelligent to say.

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Yes, a brand new mod and the first of it's kind. You pretty much could have served dog shit on a stick and it would have brought a crowd. Luckily it was not dog shit on a stick, but it was certainly something far from complete and extremely rough around the edges.

Those early beta years quickly showed the glaring inefficiencies and problems with the mod. The devs at the time worked hard to make the mod better and correct the problems.
The dev team did not create the pool system because they were bored and had nothing to do. They created the system to help stabilize the mod into something more then a shit show of elitists that considered this mod their sacred ground.
The dev team soon realized this mod would never survive the long run without a continuous influx of new players. New players were not willing to play a game of ridiculous doctrines and spam - it was just a stupid environment to play in.

Here's where the dev team went wrong:
1.) It tried to pander to the vocal minority while still thinking they could make it user friendly for the new players it so desperately needed. The result was half assed shit for both groups.
2.) The dev team failed to see the importance of usability, transparency, and accessibility. This resulted in very low numbers of new players and a greater sense of elitism in the community
3.) The dev team failed to have a clear concise game design in mind. Pandering to the vocal minority resulted in unbalanced and thrown together abilities.
4.) Modding on the fly development resulted in many things implemented in a broken state and never fixed do to resources allocated to new projects.
5.) Stagnation of development as a result of overwhelming community negativity and complete disregard or respect of the dev team.

Final straw that broke the camels back: Too many Radical balance changes made in quick succession with slow hotfix response time.

Where are we at now? Simple really.  The radical design changes required to make this mod new and fresh can not be carried out with the dinosaur of a launcher we have. It just can't, no matter who QQ's about it.
The dev team has committed to creating a new launcher and focusing on the things it should have the first time around. We will start fresh and build the mod the way it should been the first time.

The new mod and the new forums will be focused on a respectful community that embraces growth and ensures new players have accessibility and transparency. It will not pander to the elitists but will be challenging enough for the hard core player.

The mod will be awesome with the flexibility and creativity desired by the players. The forums will be respectful and organized. If you want to know what that is, simply read the forum rules at Relic news. Our rules will be a copy paste of what you read there and strictly enforced.

 
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Alpha TIG Offline
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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2014, 09:56:13 pm »

new forums

Awesome!

Will it be a brand new url and design? Even cooler if it is as that would be very friendly to new players (doesn't seem like joining and old community).
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