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[XIIcorps]

as weird as it looks might have to give props for doing it.

indeed cheers for being only guy to do a full write up, now its just up for the community to read it all, and compare it all.

[GrayWolf]

This is the first time I have ever seen the full completed doctrine design ick. I saw you postspieces of this a bit at a time, but I have never seen it 100% complete. Have you actually ever posted this completed before?

Sth like 3 times. He also started to code things by himself . _.

[ick312]

hey tank,

well i showed it several times. The first time the wehrmacht wa missing but then everything was in when i presented it. But nothing happend.

However numbers in this docs should be reviewed. Its just the ideas and how they encourage a new playstyle.

at some points its a bit sad that i had only 12 Unlocks for each docs, cause i had many more ideas.

[aeroblade56]

Alot of it doesnt make sense. let alone is balanced it just seems like you threw words together in a boxed format.

[ick312]

Alot of it doesnt make sense. let alone is balanced it just seems like you threw words together in a boxed format.

aha

ok - tell me which ones doesnt make sense and we discuss

[aeroblade56]

aha

ok - tell me which ones doesnt make sense and we discuss

Many of the dual T3s dont make sense the entire doctrine seems more geared towards T4\s.

But take your tier4 for mandos escape plan for example.

3minute cooldown that lets you retreat to a cct. now combine that with a LT heroic charge and its probably somewhere like instant escape for every 120s or something.

If you ever got suppressed for something stupid you wouldnt need to use mando smoke or anything you would just retreat to a CCT.

or the cover training for luftwaffe t4. Can fire whilst cloaked with quick response as the T3 leading to it which provides near infinite sprint.

Or how alot of the T1s are pretty good considering they are T1s.

10% more+faster repairs
vehichle recharge abilites 25% faster
75% grenade recharge, 25%panzaerfaust recharge and 10% hummel.


and in comparison your T2 supervised repairs for RE gives 20% faster 20% more repairs. on officers.
alot of buffs for 3 t1s that your always going to get.


But airborne for all their T2s get deffirent colored smoke on landing zone. so pretty much no matter what if i wanted to go behind enemy lines for capping or ambushes it wouldnt matter because you would just drop a shit ton of smoke into fow.

[tank130]

alot of buffs for 3 t1s that your always going to get.

Unless pp values were changed so you can't.......

[aeroblade56]

Unless pp values were changed so you can't.......

either way assuming that they arent going to be changed or are those are still some of the more powerfull T1s.

[ick312]

Many of the dual T3s dont make sense the entire doctrine seems more geared towards T4\s.

But take your tier4 for mandos escape plan for example.

3minute cooldown that lets you retreat to a cct. now combine that with a LT heroic charge and its probably somewhere like instant escape for every 120s or something.

If you ever got suppressed for something stupid you wouldnt need to use mando smoke or anything you would just retreat to a CCT.

or the cover training for luftwaffe t4. Can fire whilst cloaked with quick response as the T3 leading to it which provides near infinite sprint.

Or how alot of the T1s are pretty good considering they are T1s.

10% more+faster repairs
vehichle recharge abilites 25% faster
75% grenade recharge, 25%panzaerfaust recharge and 10% hummel.


and in comparison your T2 supervised repairs for RE gives 20% faster 20% more repairs. on officers.
alot of buffs for 3 t1s that your always going to get.


But airborne for all their T2s get deffirent colored smoke on landing zone. so pretty much no matter what if i wanted to go behind enemy lines for capping or ambushes it wouldnt matter because you would just drop a shit ton of smoke into fow.

wow, just wow you broke most of the stuff out of the context, so let me bring it back.


falling back to a cct: can save ur ass as long as you are having a cct
hunt it - kill it
Yes its powerful but i has a weak point: the cct which is needed.


Cover Training Luftwaffe: Well Since you can  keep only single sqauds in cover and cant make mass ambush, since then acceptabel cause u can overwhelm the FJ Ambush position.

t3 quick response - Sprint encourage to run from ambush position to ambush position: either for combat buffs OR for cloaked fire

sounds reasonable to me

T1s are T1 they have a slight impact on the gameplay IN ALL DOCS.


10%more + faster rep
vehicle recharge 25% faster
75% grenade recharge, 25%panzaerfaust recharge and 10% hummel

This is incredible! You just ignore the fact that U NEED AN AMMO HT.
Yes Aero you need a 2 pop unit close to enjoy these buffs!
Sorry but this is a very sneaky move to decept and spread missinformation.


Top T2 RE You combine several different units with the repairing vehicle and get different advantages. AND you get far more then just the +20% more rep.

About the AB: WTF?
top t2 u get a single smoke drop on the area - not to attack - but to make sure ur troops can land and not get shredderd while standing up.
Mid t2 drive your opponent crazy by fake red smoke -offmap or not? RUN
Bot t2 confuse ur opponent. Take his attention to a different location and land somewhere else OR backcap

[ick312]

either way assuming that they arent going to be changed or are those are still some of the more powerfull T1s.

NO they are not, they are good but not too powerful. Why cause the strong ones are bound to a specific unit!

[aeroblade56]

wow, just wow you broke most of the stuff out of the context, so let me bring it back.


falling back to a cct: can save ur ass as long as you are having a cct
hunt it - kill it
Yes its powerful but i has a weak point: the cct which is needed.


Cover Training Luftwaffe: Well Since you can  keep only single sqauds in cover and cant make mass ambush, since then acceptabel cause u can overwhelm the FJ Ambush position.

t3 quick response - Sprint encourage to run from ambush position to ambush position: either for combat buffs OR for cloaked fire

sounds reasonable to me

T1s are T1 they have a slight impact on the gameplay IN ALL DOCS.


10%more + faster rep
vehicle recharge 25% faster
75% grenade recharge, 25%panzaerfaust recharge and 10% hummel

This is incredible! You just ignore the fact that U NEED AN AMMO HT.
Yes Aero you need a 2 pop unit close to enjoy these buffs!
Sorry but this is a very sneaky move to decept and spread missinformation.


Top T2 RE You combine several different units with the repairing vehicle and get different advantages. AND you get far more then just the +20% more rep.

About the AB: WTF?
top t2 u get a single smoke drop on the area - not to attack - but to make sure ur troops can land and not get shredderd while standing up.
Mid t2 drive your opponent crazy by fake red smoke -offmap or not? RUN
Bot t2 confuse ur opponent. Take his attention to a different location and land somewhere else OR backcap

Oh yah i forgot a cct cost next to nothing, same with a muni ht for those constant buffs.


Did you forget also that Luftwaffe can build cover?. so they can just set up cover where ever they please  as close together as they please.

Most tier 1s in the current state offer crap like building barbed wire for your rifleman. but rarely do they offer a flatout buff to a unit.


As for your airborne. you must have missed something or just didnt type it correctly. but i think the base time for airborne to drop is 30-15s(lets assume 30s) you have no doctrine buff in airborne to decrease the drop time. So you can't really reinforce like you can and use that smoke to the fullest if it comes in every 30 odd seconds.


i usually bring 2-3 CCTS in a company just for the smoke barrage. have fun killing 3 ccts with flankspeed. it would require such a effort that it would easily make its cost up.

[ick312]

You are right about the price of the cct and ammo ht. But thats not the point. The point is that it is a weak point and has an indirect pop cost.

about the mando bot t4. Well the 3 min recharge might be to fast but plz keep in mind: Its a t4, where other docs receive massive combat buffs. So yes u can save your troops from a failed attack, what is more likely since the same ammount of your troops weaker then the same ammount of enemy troops.
So basically trade Firepower vs saving of your troops.

Its good if you landed behind enemy lines, damaged something and now you are trapped by enemy troops. Usually you would lose your man. But with bot t4 u can get them out.


FJs building cover. True, its a good example how combined unlocks (t2+t4) achieve a new effect. If you get the time you can Prepare and make a good defensive position.


Well its true that most t1 actually have no effect on the gameplay: i wanted to change that.

As for your airborne. you must have missed something or just didnt type it correctly. but i think the base time for airborne to drop is 30-15s(lets assume 30s) you have no doctrine buff in airborne to decrease the drop time. So you can't really reinforce like you can and use that smoke to the fullest if it comes in every 30 odd seconds.

I am not sure if i got it right. You basical mind that you cant overrun the enemy frontline cause between each smoke drop is 30 sec delay?

Well i can only respond, that this wasnt my intention. It wasnt thought as an offensive, overrun unlock. More like a defensive. If you lost your position and your man come down, they still have a chance to fall back.

[Smokaz]

Keep it civil

[ick312]

However numbers in this docs should be reviewed. Its just the ideas and how they encourage a new playstyle.

AND

i am on vent, feel free to ask there or discuss with me if u want

[GrayWolf]

Jebac  witklroraj oda mmi mnalała. KUrawa tak jest.

[aeroblade56]

AND

i am on vent, feel free to ask there or discuss with me if u want

So i was looking at the doc closer and i see you got rid of 3x bars, grease guns, and LMGS aswell as smoke grenades.

I also see you need a T1 to unlock commando grenades.

T4 for hulldown(seems legit)

T1 tacticall support looks like u just slapped it down.

Button on brens and bren MMG for free and not only does it not slow like old button it "forces to stop".

victor target on american offier for american mortars?. just incase i bring 3 mortars on and your in range so i could use my offcer.

Priest gains a HMG. (Hilarously mongishly gay)

K98 heals?

[ick312]

The idea behind the brens is: that u can pin the enemy tanks and ur allies can wreck them. => teamplay, but yeah might be too strong for a t1.

3 mortar + offi are how much pop? 15-16? well, for that price i get enough stuff to overrun u frontally.

Priest gains a HMG. Yes no more defense troops vs inf rushes are needed. HMG might be too extrem - LMG might be better

K98 heals - you are talking about Stormtactics: well the idea about stormtactics is that each weapon class gains an advantage. So if you combine several infantry classes you receive a better combat performance.
K98 heals only on attack, => reward for attacking

[XIIcorps]

Heals on attack ?
Vampire guns,  what is this diablo 3.

Good try ick but alot of this reads as a slapped together mishap.

[ick312]

Heals on attack ?
Vampire guns,  what is this diablo 3.

Good try ick but alot of this reads as a slapped together mishap.

more like combat rage - u know in a fight, u dont feel anything.

and

at least from my perspective there is  a structure behind it. But thx for an honest response

[tank130]

Good try ick but alot of this reads as a slapped together mishap.

But still considerably better then anyone else has presented.........

I assume if everyone keeps it civil this could be discussed and fined tuned.