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[TheWindCriesMary]

Wait until docs return then those same riflemen will beat the hell out of grens..

Elite armour grens (blitz t4) are the single most effective base infantry in the game. Give them lmgs and medkits, or just medkits and nades and watch the fireworks. Rifles need not bother showing up to the battle.

[Smokaz]

Bars are good, but they are good up close mainly. And riflemen lose a lot of health and men getting close. However, when the infantry doctrine buffs etc come into play, it stops bein a problem again.

+Additional OP doctrine suggestion: bring back carabines top t4. 50% less cooldown/reload on rifles. But make sure that the top tree then has no AT buffs, whatsoever.

It's more fun than overlord, and we've never succeeded in tying costs to doctrines anyway. And it has a weakness to companies that simply are good at killing riflemen.

Only thing I see fucking this is the smoke spam. But it should only be renewable on officer cooldown and the mortar. Rifle companies are fun to play and they (usually) give a lot of xp to the other player, even if they lose to cap/inf spam.

This could be tuned with another suggestion I have mentioned, removing the ability of the squad leader entity of riflemen to cap. It's minor yet it will in some games mean that you'll have 1 man rifle squads that can't cap.

[aeroblade56]

Maybe bar's themself aren't bad or rifleman. but alot of things that they have fighting has changed aswell as their doctrine choices.

but while we have been upping other doctrines we have dumbed down bars.

we have moved bars to a Tier 4 aswell as removing the moving accuracy to a seperate t3 and extra health to rifleman to another T3.

and then added things like elite armored grens and 5 man grens with sprint at vet 1. and then the axis officer bought back the damage buff.

[XIIcorps]

and then the axis officer bought back the team wide damage buff.

fixed  mate.

question is are rifles too weak, other mainline units too strong or are rifles and even volks to expensive ?

[aeroblade56]

imo i think rifles and volks are only meant for 3 things.

capping power, and recrew ability, screening the army.

volks just like rifles die to a sneeze and get supressed terribly easy.

the only difference is that Wehr have other units to fall back on.
 
while the USA just has the singular unit.