Doctrine Differentiation

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[DerangedFerret]

A suggestion for more variety on doctrines. What if when you picked a doctrine, you got an inherent bonus. Such as, Axis defensive, +10% hp, -10% firepower.

Or Blitzkreig, +20% speed, minus 10% armor.

Something like an inherent bonus to help differentiate each doctrine more.

Like Allied armor, +10% vehicle armor, -10% rifleman hp.

Airborne +10% infantry hp, -10% armour hp.

Stuff like that.

[slowzo]

I like it.  It would add allot more of a different play style for each doctrine.

[Ucross]

It's a great idea.  We'll likely incorporate it into 2.0.

[Apex]

Too unoticable imo, and if strong enough to get noticed, likely to screw up balance.

[DerangedFerret]

That's the point. To screw up the current balance and force players to use different tactics depending on their doctrine. To add some difference between a terror player and a blitzkreig player, apart from CP abilities.

[Lai]

Another reason to spam. Why do people love to spam? Finesse and variation my friends.

[minehold3]

or like airborne +20 hp to all infantry -20 tank hp

[Draygon]

funny how some of us suggested this a while back and it got shot down with the reason being "people dont like negatives." the suggestion was EXACTLY the same as the one ferret just put up, and now all of a sudden its a great idea?

[DeadlyShoe]

Beh. Doctrines should be defined through their doctrine abilities.  I agree with Lai: This only encourages minmaxing.

[DerangedFerret]

Doctrine abilities only make a difference LATER in the game, as players gain CP. By adding this to the game, there will be a more fundamental difference between each doctrine.

Also, it'll give players a reason to pick a doctrine, not just because of the CP abilities, but also because of inherent bonuses.

[scrapking]

I like it, but Apex has a point too.

If its a subtle difference, no it wont be huge, but it could add some flavor.  Too huge of an effect would be the mistake.

But great concept.

[DeadlyShoe]

I'm not constitutionally against differentiation.  Back in the day, I suggested Resource Bonuses be tied to company type: IE fuel to blitz, manpower to infantry, etc.. That had its own problems, the current system is probably better.

But straight up bonuses to some unit types and negatives to others simply encourages minmaxing in my view - at least if they are significant bonuses to combat performance.  

Doctrines would be more different off the bat if players got more CPs. *cough* ;p

[DerangedFerret]

Can someone explain what minmaxing is?

[Draygon]

Doctrines would be more different off the bat if players got more CPs. *cough* ;p

No they wouldnt, they would be the same, only quicker.

[Ucross]

"off the bat"

[DeadlyShoe]

Can someone explain what minmaxing is?

Minimizing most aspects of something and maximizing others - usually in such a fashion as to break a game system.  It comes from roleplaying games, where players would make drooling idiot warriors who could slice through titanium with a wooden stick. 

It's what tends to break freeform customization systems.

In EiR...Let's say a player went Infantry, got Cohesion, and stacked that with a health bonus for riflemen he got simply by going Infantry. His riflemen might have so much health now that they could survive howitzer shells and sniper shots.  Then he just spams these uber riflemen. 

[Bonte]

i kinda dont like it either because if i go blitz i dont want a fuel increase...i want mun cause i use storms more than armour

[Duckordie]

How about is, Armor got more fuel, Inf get more manpower, and Airborne get more Mun?

[GammaCommander]

Well Shoe, isn't that what choosing doctrines is for? People don't choose Airborne to spam spam tanks and people don't choose Defensive For the Fatherland Defense if they only like to attack. I wouldn't mind the doctrines giving modifiers and I think it would be a good way to help make the doctrines more unique. IMO, the modifiers pertain to the doctrine.

ie.
Blitzkrieg = Vehicles have 10% faster movement
Terror = Units deal 10% more suppression and 5% more damage.
Defensive = Units are 10% more resilient against suppression and take 5% less damage.

Airborne = Units cap 30% faster
Armor = Vehicles 5% less received penetration
Infantry = Infantry have 10% more health.

[DeadlyShoe]

What's the difference between that and t1 abilities?