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[Steinmarder]

Confusing replay.

First of all, that xoscarface used the repair exploit on his tiger the whole time, maybe he doesnt even know that its an exploit / just wonders sometimes why not all of his pios are repairing..

Also, you should bring more than one mortar to a siege / on map in the first 30 minutes to avoid the need of assaulting an hmg head on with precious kch (for example) 


About the map:

I saw what you mean with the sectors giving you trouble. The allies had their troubles too. At one point in the late game they "missed" a narrow sector in the town for quite a while and would have outcapped you way sooner.

I will look into this and perhaps merge the 3 sectors in the center of the town into 2, split in the middle (90° to the previous alignment) together with a slight change in the general sector layout to avoid people ignoring the town center and just cap on the norther flank and head on.

Or greatly reduce the sector count and make it OCP... hmmmm have to think about it.

[Kolath]

Haha, yeah I knew we needed more mortars.  Apparently I was the only one with many indirect fire weapons.  I didn't even realize XO was using an exploit on the tiger!   Being a defensive player heavy on infantry, I'm not even sure I know what the exploit is?  Is it repairing with multiple pios at a time?

I think either switching to OCP or tweaking the sectors could work well.  Overall it was a very different experience having the urban area surrounded by open areas.  Very neat.

[Dbozbrown]

Personally, I have a problem with the sectors, but I prefer the sectors to be more like abbyville and less like Ardenvalley.  The difference between Westfallen and Arden is that on Arden, I find it easier to remember and physically see what needs to be defended because of natural landmarks(IE, the Hills), and the white lines around sectors on the tactical map.  I think you should tweak these sectors alittle to make it easier for someone who doesnt play the map often(like me).

Other than the sectors, I think the map is great.  Because of the size, I think it would make a good 4 v 4 map if you feel like making it both.  I love the detail and the negative cover on the roads makes it very stratigic since you have to find different routes around, even if volks are the only thing watching the road.

Keep it up, good map.

[Steinmarder]

Since my last game on it yesterday im thinking about giving the map the option for a 4v4 and finally make the sector count more even on the whole map.

Allthough it will definatly reduce the amount of tense street battles in the middle (my favorite part), the town center really has a bit too much impact on the win conditions now. Take two roads (3-4 sectors) and it goes from 'we cant hold our ground' to 'they cant hold their ground'.

If I could get 7 players for a 4v4 testmatch on thursday before releasing it to the public? That would be great.
Preferably europeans who have time in the late evening. Wont find time to slam it together / play before than I think.

If it works out well I will call it final and release it as soon as i have a better loading screen too and tweaked the weather options again / changed it to transitioning effects. (Maybe you still wanna give it a shot skunker? NIS Screen? Would be gratefull as I dont have much time for this stuff atm)

[jackmccrack]

Aw dang, a 4v4?

I really like this map the way it is now. So far all the games I've played on it have been victories, and all the sectors seem to be well placed. I mean, sometimes its hard to tell exactly which sectors are where, but I think that's just cause the map isn't played as often as others so not many people have them memorized yet. It's not like you can't just move your infantry squad over a few meters though..

But hey, its your map, not mine!

[salan]

my only thought was you needed 1 or 2 more sectors in the big open field to flank THAT side, not the chateu side.

that big open field isn't useful for much and any time someone spends over there they are dieing to mcp, completely against the current game point.  you added a flanking spot but only in the backside of the dense city..  needs it on both sides if anything.

[Steinmarder]

Ya, i was thinking to make that field a sector again and add some more interesting stuff and cover on it, also "move" some town sectors to the chateau side (number whise) and make it a 3v3/4v4.

[salan]

just try to balance it and watch for your control sectors.. IE you only need 2 sectors to gain control and bleed because they are essential links.

the more links and flanking the better (less chokes)  causes a much more dynamic game.

[Kolath]

Did you get the test game last night?  What is the status?

[Steinmarder]

status is im still at work at the moment 

plans for the weekend so far: SLEEP!

well i guess ill get a version out this weekend, but i still have to run around for work tomorrow. mid next week i may have some more free time but we will see. working in an project which is behind the timetable, for an it company thats making software for the banks in all northern germany. some pressure cause of somewhat large amounts of money involved for the company

[Kolath]

Haha, well don't feel any pressure from us.  I know how it is when a work project crops up.  Good luck with that, mate.

[Steinmarder]

Uploading new version to filefront now

some slight changes and the spoken about change to the sector layout to make increase speed in gameplay and slightly broaden the battlefield

screenshots of changes attached (marked the one sector white because they are all green in that area in the WB)

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[Thtb]

Fighting from left to right really gives you the feeling off being "not in the flow" in this map. You know how the streets never to where your going and that there is always something right in the way?

Just my 2 cents

[Steinmarder]

Äh, auf deutsch bitte weil ich grad echt nicht raffe was du meinst

Und falls du das meinst was ich denke schau dir den 2ten screeni an, ich hab den dicken Block rausgenommen um von links nach rechts mehr Bewegungsmöglichkeiten an der Stelle zu erlauben

[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

Let's see if I understand that post ^^^Hmmmm, angy German is what I'm getting from it

[Steinmarder]

I couldnt understand what he means so I asked him to tell me in german 

[Forefall]

Just played it, was a good map.

[BoDyBaG2224TLS]

He he, If it makes you feel better I had to read his post a few times to understand what he's talking about.

[Steinmarder]

If someone has a replay of a Westfalen match where some screenshot worthy scenes occured, (preverably with a nice big german tank on it ) snapshot it with the minimum interface / unit colors and so on visible and you have a chance of delivering the basis for the new, final loading screen by posting it here 

Otherwise ill have to crush some folks on Westfalen over and over until I get a sweet one 
(APEX!! Need your KT for photoshooting  )