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[Unkn0wn]

Just one thing Unk0wn, its pretty crazy to compare the entire European Union which is 27 countries (granted, some are pretty insignificant, but others are quite significant) to just 1 country (the US) and make a claim among the lines of "Europe > USA".

Fact that the US economy (GDP)  is almost as high as the combination of 27 countries, and actually was higher in the past is extremely remarkable.

That's the whole point, no single country in europe is big enough to be compared with the US. The US is almost as big as the entire european continent... The European Union has ambitions in becoming a superpower and already is an economic superpower.

I don't see why the fact that there's 27 countries forming one union makes it much more of a difference, the US has 50 states, a lot of which are pretty much the size of a country in Europe. The only difference here is history having a different way with the US and the EU. States in the US didn't stay independant entities for long, they did in Europe and now they're finally coming together.

Also, I never implied that Europe > USA, you might need to reread my post. All I did was state facts, the European Economy is superior to the American one and will grow out from the US one even further within the nex decade as the European Project continues to expand.

On a political level, Europe still has a long way to go and on a military level Europe is worthless. These things will likely change though when the European Union gets a constitution and its own armed force.

[Ciwawa]

i don't think the EU will have more than a coalition army as many of the major europena states don't want to send troops all around the world instead of what usa does.

Btw Europe Union is not so only europe as many country are joining, others want to join, from africa or asia.

America haved theyr gold time but like unknow sayed all great empire come to an end (this don't means the usa will be disbanded an became like urss after the collapse of the berlin wall).

For what is see in future i see an indirect war usa against china, or eu against china.

China have a perverse economic chain that make mass production with poor quality stuff and is ruining many EU economy and usa too.

And at last is hilarious to see an 11 years boy that say "i know all about history" because he stuyed to get an A or played for some month at eir... LOL. Nothing against you and i'm not saying your post are wrong or that you sayed bullshit but you can have studyed history for 99 years and still know how much about it?? 30-40%?
More i know, more i fell i don't know (translated version lol)

[Libertine]

So you want the US to exploit Iraq's natural resources?

isnt that the reason they went there in the first place. ah no, now i remember it was the (non-existant and the jocks in command knew it) "Weapons of Mass Destruction"...

[lompocus]

Hooligan, your iraq oil money idea is crazy man! 

Libertime, if you really want to say it then just go ahead and say that racist idea in your head: You don't believe that the Iraqis should have been saved from a Sunni minority dictator who slaughtered his own people and demolished his own nation's economy.

Ciwawa u using babelfish lol? that last part in ur post.

[albejak01]

the eu isnt a unified country ..no such thing as eu army lol .....and there never will be...

can you imagine what a shower of shit a eu army would be?....french /spanish/italians giving up at first oppertunity ..germany army not leaving its borders...so it would just  be the british fighting their battles...no thanks ...

[Days of War]

the eu isnt a unified country ..no such thing as eu army lol .....and there never will be...

can you imagine what a shower of shit a eu army would be?....french /spanish/italians giving up at first oppertunity ..germany army not leaving its borders...so it would just  be the british fighting their battles...no thanks ...

Anyone else just shocked at the amount of ignorance in this post? I mean, holy shit. I read this and my jaw literally dropped.

[Thtb]

Oh yeah Germany the cowards how never left there borders. Well from hitlers view the whole world belong to them so yeah.. they just claimed there borders ayA?

Albejak01 wtf.

[Libertine]

Albejak01 wtf.

yeah, at least he as a German Helmet and Iron Cross as his Forum Avatar...oh the Irony.

[lompocus]

the eu isnt a unified country ..no such thing as eu army lol .....and there never will be...

can you imagine what a shower of shit a eu army would be?....french /spanish/italians giving up at first oppertunity ..germany army not leaving its borders...so it would just  be the british fighting their battles...no thanks ...

Anyone else just shocked at the amount of ignorance in this post? I mean, holy shit. I read this and my jaw literally dropped.

He means to say that you guys drop like flies in combat and you've yet to have a real unified fighting force, your politics are essentially compromise compromise compromise, and the only noticeable fighting force you have is the UK, which, as they aren't part of the EU and are so different in every other way, could be considered non-european. Then it makes sense.

[Libertine]

He means to say that you guys drop like flies in combat and you've yet to have a real unified fighting force, your politics are essentially compromise compromise compromise, and the only noticeable fighting force you have is the UK, which, as they aren't part of the EU and are so different in every other way, could be considered non-european. Then it makes sense.

i dunno wether i should laugh at the stupidity or cry at the ignorance...bit of both maybe.

Germanys standing army is about the same size as that of the UK. the French Army is actually 1/3 bigger then that of the UK. Equipment wise these 3 are about equal.

oh, and tell your secretary of defense that we throw away our guns at the first sight of an enemy cause he apparently asked for more european troops to be sent to Afgahnistan(why is beyond on me, you gut yourself into that shit, see for yourself how you get out again): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/21/AR2007052101085.html?tid=informbox

and you wanna know why we dont have a unified fighting force ? cause its 27 bloody different countries...the european union is a civil organisation, not a military block, just in case you didnt know that.

and as for politics, i actually prefer a compromise to the US "lets just bomb them" approach.
seems as europeans have learned that war never solves any problems but only creates new ones(hint -> iraq), but hey, youll get there some day.

[roflmao]

I think he is reacting to the UN. The UN pretty much does jack military-wise. Rwanda anyone? Compromise and run away are two totally different things.

[anthony210]

He means to say that you guys drop like flies in combat and you've yet to have a real unified fighting force, your politics are essentially compromise compromise compromise, and the only noticeable fighting force you have is the UK, which, as they aren't part of the EU and are so different in every other way, could be considered non-european. Then it makes sense.

i dunno wether i should laugh at the stupidity or cry at the ignorance...bit of both maybe.

Germanys standing army is about the same size as that of the UK. the French Army is actually 1/3 bigger then that of the UK. Equipment wise these 3 are about equal.

oh, and tell your secretary of defense that we throw away our guns at the first sight of an enemy cause he apparently asked for more european troops to be sent to Afgahnistan(why is beyond on me, you gut yourself into that shit, see for yourself how you get out again): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/21/AR2007052101085.html?tid=informbox

and you wanna know why we dont have a unified fighting force ? cause its 27 bloody different countries...the european union is a civil organisation, not a military block, just in case you didnt know that.

and as for politics, i actually prefer a compromise to the US "lets just bomb them" approach.
seems as europeans have learned that war never solves any problems but only creates new ones(hint -> iraq), but hey, youll get there some day.

Afghanistan was a response to 9/11.  As the "you got yourselves into that mess, so get yourselves out act" , Yea I sincerely hope the european nations one day need the US again for something one day and we just give them the finger after all this critism we have to take from them.

[Thtb]

But we need you to destory the chinaRuss Empire in the ww3 !

[Schultz]

Libertime, if you really want to say it then just go ahead and say that racist idea in your head: You don't believe that the Iraqis should have been saved from a Sunni minority dictator who slaughtered his own people and demolished his own nation's economy.

Hey man got news for you. Noone believes you saved the iraqis except "you' and maybe "you".
What you did to iraq is fuck them over again. As Sadam's reign was not enough, you came bombed the shit out of civilians, killed so many innocents, finished of whatever signs of feeble economical status and infrastructure, forced them to leave their homes to become refugees and so on.
We all remembered the reason : Iraq has weapons of mass destruction!
Its been said again and again from everyone, especially your puppet president.
Has anyone believed them then ? Or has it come as a surspise you didnt find anything ? Hell the iraqis werent even decently equipped to fight.

But I guess yeah we are all racists here because we dont see the vast humanitarian accomplishment US has offered once again to the world.
 

[lompocus]

He means to say that you guys drop like flies in combat and you've yet to have a real unified fighting force, your politics are essentially compromise compromise compromise, and the only noticeable fighting force you have is the UK, which, as they aren't part of the EU and are so different in every other way, could be considered non-european. Then it makes sense.

i dunno wether i should laugh at the stupidity or cry at the ignorance...bit of both maybe.

Germanys standing army is about the same size as that of the UK. the French Army is actually 1/3 bigger then that of the UK. Equipment wise these 3 are about equal.

oh, and tell your secretary of defense that we throw away our guns at the first sight of an enemy cause he apparently asked for more european troops to be sent to Afgahnistan(why is beyond on me, you gut yourself into that shit, see for yourself how you get out again): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/21/AR2007052101085.html?tid=informbox

and you wanna know why we dont have a unified fighting force ? cause its 27 bloody different countries...the european union is a civil organisation, not a military block, just in case you didnt know that.

and as for politics, i actually prefer a compromise to the US "lets just bomb them" approach.
seems as europeans have learned that war never solves any problems but only creates new ones(hint -> iraq), but hey, youll get there some day.

Afghanistan was a response to 9/11.  As the "you got yourselves into that mess, so get yourselves out act" , Yea I sincerely hope the european nations one day need the US again for something one day and we just give them the finger after all this critism we have to take from them.

They won't need us. They'll surrender automatically as soon as anyone poses a threat to them.

Hell, Chile could threaten them with bombs and they'll surrender!

Also, the european defending europeans seems to think numbers=better.

We pwnt you in the rev war.
We pwnt you in the war of 1812.
We pwnt the mexicans.
We pwnt the germans (who had a vastly larger army, just like the british and mexicans).
We pwnt the japanese (bigger army again, and it was their homeland!).
We protected the chinese from being pwnt by forementioned japanese!
We helped russia.
We pwnt russia!
We pwnt china in korea (and macarthur was not allowed to continue into North korea for fear of ww3 by truman).
We pwnt the VC and commies in Vietnam (an unfourtunate 50k casualties vs 3 million VC deaths).
We pwnt that one little african uprising in that one out-of-the-way african country...
We insta-pwnt saddam...twice.
If we had the numbers of M.E. terrorists dead vs US...well, that would be another pwnt terrorists.

Equipment-wise most euro equipment is quite high tech. Unfourtunately that does not seem to translate into a good military, considering you guys retreat from every single military encounter you are faced with and are afraid to tackle on the problem that is just south of you.

We're waiting you know. There's a whole frickin continent that could use your help. It's right down south. Called Africa. They could really use somebody that's MUCH close than the US.

2 schultz: US, in total, with government and private spending, spends more than the world combined on humanitarian aid. Shall I say pwnt yet again?
Our pres is an idiot anyways. I don't think he's really 'done' anything...
*edit* oh no I've been dragged back into this thread.

[Lesserevil]

@lompocus

Roll Eyes is it any use arguing with a brainwashed nut?

on a side note (and last post), no prediction of future powers seems to take space into account.

Buy that i believe you are referring to your self right? Because if anyone is brainwashed it is you. I mean really to believe that USA never lost Vietnam and Korea, thats just crazy talk. And to think that US single handedly won WW2 thats also just crazy. Then again this is America so propaganda wise it might be possible to convince people that it could happen. Heh again this is a country that taught duck and cover against nuclear bombs. 

@Ciwawa

And at last is hilarious to see an 11 years boy that say "i know all about history" because he stuyed to get an A or played for some month at eir... LOL. Nothing against you and i'm not saying your post are wrong or that you sayed bullshit but you can have studyed history for 99 years and still know how much about it?? 30-40%?
More i know, more i fell i don't know (translated version lol)

Uhhh is that at me? if it is thats a bit off, i said i lived in Russia for 11 years, and in US for 11 years, and got a BA in history (or at least will in 2 more months). So if thats at me, well its a bit off, but hey if i make you laugh all the better  i know im loving these posts.

Also life experience living in a country > US history books.

[RangerSpam]

We all remembered the reason : Iraq has weapons of mass destruction!

I don't seem to remember them finding any

[Libertine]

Afghanistan was a response to 9/11. 
As the "you got yourselves into that mess, so get yourselves out act" , Yea I sincerely hope the european nations one day need the US again for something one day and we just give them the finger after all this critism we have to take from them.

yep, and the German Attack on Poland was a Reaction to a "Polish Attack" on a German Broadcast Station.
the 2nd part of your post also, rather impressively, highlights your inability to cope with opinions other then your own. while i strongly disagree with US foreign politics and the glorification of a war that costs more and more lives each day
you know, Göbbels once said "Those who are not with us are against us"...comes down to the same thing. 

[lompocus]

We all remembered the reason : Iraq has weapons of mass destruction!

I don't seem to remember them finding any

They weren't the point of the whole operation:...

@ anthony: The difference between us and the Nazis was that the Nazis were butchering people. We're establishing another mini-israel in the middle east.

*edit* where exactly is all this propaganda I've been hearing about? We have the military channel...and that's about it. Every single american media channel critisizes america.

[Ciwawa]

omg truly i've never seen high % of shit belive on europe like in this thread the us people really belive they pwned everyone and will pwned every one and only a single european nation have fear of them??? LOL??

The USD buying power is so high... omg i buy only stuff from on the usa or payed in us dollars because i pay it at half of price.....

And holy shit why no one remember that taliban governement was installed with help of the us?

And that osama bin-laden is more american then you? O_o