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[Lesserevil]

To be fair Russia was still in complete chaos following this "democratic" process. But their are cultural / economic reasons for that. And they are just really annoying to get into.

[Libertine]

To be fair Russia was still in complete chaos following this "democratic" process. But their are cultural / economic reasons for that. And they are just really annoying to get into.

a certain ammount of chaos goes hand in hand with every change of government but it was nowhere near to what happens in iraq at the moment. what im trying to say is that they kept a part of the civil structures established during communism and didnt just dissovle everything and say, hey, lets start over from 0.

[Lesserevil]

Very true. I believe they were trying to emulate Poland at that point, which transitioned quite successfully. Sadly it was not to be. (They really really messed things up.)

[Wraith547]

one of the biggest mistakes the US made in iraq was to dissolve the baath party cause hand in hand with that pretty much all civil government structures got lost and chaos broke out.

I would actually disagree and say they biggest mistake they made was dissolving the Iraqi army at a time when they needed that local security the most.

[Ciwawa]

The greatest mistake was invading yelling at the ONU

"We don't give a fck is all other nation don't see this invasion as a good idea."

But of course USA prefered to rush to "secure oil plant" 

[Schultz]

We all remembered the reason : Iraq has weapons of mass destruction!

I don't seem to remember them finding any

They weren't the point of the whole operation:...

This is actually pretty funny. But if i have to, i will clarify. I was being ironic..
I was making a point on US think they call sell us such BS in our face and make her citizens believe it.

[anthony210]

The greatest mistake was invading yelling at the ONU

"We don't give a fck is all other nation don't see this invasion as a good idea."

But of course USA prefered to rush to "secure oil plant" 

Your very quick to judge people when you dont have a clue.  Everytime you speak like that you just make yourself look ignorant.

If you want to bash the US atleast form a good argument to why without basically saying "US SUCKS THEY GO WAR FOR OIL", that makes you look stupid.

GW got bad intel, which is what led us into the war in the first place.  Every war has war profiteers, which is what your seeing with all the civilian contracters and possibly oil, even though fuel prices are at an all time high in the USA

I dont agree with everything George Bush does and I think he acts like a moron sometimes, but I dont put all the blame for Iraq on him.

I also believe Saddam was a terrible person who killed his own people and wouldnt hesitate to use a nuke if he had one.  Like I said before Im 100% sure Iraq is better off without him, and im hoping we are able to stay there long enough to make sure Iraq has atleast a stable government that can protect itself before we leave.  Even if a democrat is elected for president, I doubt he would just abandon Iraq because that would be a political and a military mistake.  If that happaned it would be total chaos there, which would result in nothing more than another dictator rising to power again.

War is hell, people die.  Civilians die, soldiers die.  Especially there where you have violance everywhere and its hard to tell if the guy walking down the street has a bomb strapped to himself, or if that car that is driving down the road is going to ram your tank and explode.  You really have to understand that before you can comment.  

[Libertine]

If you want to bash the US atleast form a good argument to why without basically saying "US SUCKS THEY GO WAR FOR OIL", that makes you look stupid.

yeah, we know, they went there cause Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction...Bush told us, Cheney told us, Powell told us, Rumsfeld told us ... still i dont believe it...hmm

I dont agree with everything George Bush does and I think he acts like a moron sometimes, but I dont put all the blame for Iraq on him.

yeah, blame the idiots that voted for the guy in the first place.

I also believe Saddam was a terrible person who killed his own people and wouldnt hesitate to use a nuke if he had one.  Like I said before Im 100% sure Iraq is better off without him, and im hoping we are able to stay there long enough to make sure Iraq has atleast a stable government that can protect itself before we leave.

doesnt matter if saddam was a bad guy or not. 500 people dead due to violence each day...yeah, go on and explain to the iraqis how they are better off now cause they are free.
oh and the US is gonna stay there longer then just to provide a stable government, they are allready building permanent military bases ... mind you, theres still a lot of oil left.

War is hell, people die.  Civilians die, soldiers die.  Especially there where you have violance everywhere and its hard to tell if the guy walking down the street has a bomb strapped to himself, or if that car that is driving down the road is going to ram your tank and explode.  You really have to understand that before you can comment. 

and what you need to understand is that this whole mess your describing was created by the US in the first place.

[roflmao]

We pwnt you in the war of 1812.
We pwnt the mexicans.

Oh no the mexicans... what ever will we do, they are throwing rocks at us... oh no! jeez mexico just won their war of independence so their army and population was exhausted. Not to mention the US attacked mexico to steel land on a presence. So winning = robbing Mexico.

I am a mexican (partially, and I live in mexico) and to be honest, this is utter bullshit. Blame goes on both sides, if not most of it goes to Mexico.

[anthony210]

No they were blowing themselves up way before we got there.  And they will continue blowing themselves up long after were gone.

[Ciwawa]

The greatest mistake was invading yelling at the ONU

"We don't give a fck is all other nation don't see this invasion as a good idea."

But of course USA prefered to rush to "secure oil plant" 

Your very quick to judge people when you dont have a clue.  Everytime you speak like that you just make yourself look ignorant.

If you want to bash the US atleast form a good argument to why without basically saying "US SUCKS THEY GO WAR FOR OIL", that makes you look stupid.

GW got bad intel, which is what led us into the war in the first place.  Every war has war profiteers, which is what your seeing with all the civilian contracters and possibly oil, even though fuel prices are at an all time high in the USA

I dont agree with everything George Bush does and I think he acts like a moron sometimes, but I dont put all the blame for Iraq on him.

I also believe Saddam was a terrible person who killed his own people and wouldnt hesitate to use a nuke if he had one.  Like I said before Im 100% sure Iraq is better off without him, and im hoping we are able to stay there long enough to make sure Iraq has atleast a stable government that can protect itself before we leave.  Even if a democrat is elected for president, I doubt he would just abandon Iraq because that would be a political and a military mistake.  If that happaned it would be total chaos there, which would result in nothing more than another dictator rising to power again.

War is hell, people die.  Civilians die, soldiers die.  Especially there where you have violance everywhere and its hard to tell if the guy walking down the street has a bomb strapped to himself, or if that car that is driving down the road is going to ram your tank and explode.  You really have to understand that before you can comment. 

yeah i'm ignorant you are gived the people of iraq the greates gift "theyr freedom" usa military propaganda rulez 

[anthony210]

Yea they were much better off getting attacked with biological weapons by their own leader. 

[roflmao]

On Bush and WMD's, its a lame argument for bashing the Iraq war, if not the lamest. WMD's was not the only reason we went to war with Iraq, and even if it were, its not Bush's fault at all. Bush had every ounce of reason to belive there were WMD's in Iraq because that is what the US intellegence told him, Bush didn't deliberately lie to the "american people" just to get oil from Iraq. That's just a insane conspiracy theory, about as insane as controlled demolitions on the twin towers. He told everyone there were WMD's in Iraq not because he was lying, but because he really thought so.

Then of course getting rid of a dictator that was killing millions is somehow a "minor accomplishment" and "irrelevant", because "OH NOES, THEY LIED TO US.

[Lesserevil]

We pwnt you in the war of 1812.
We pwnt the mexicans.

Oh no the mexicans... what ever will we do, they are throwing rocks at us... oh no! jeez mexico just won their war of independence so their army and population was exhausted. Not to mention the US attacked mexico to steel land on a presence. So winning = robbing Mexico.

I am a mexican (partially, and I live in mexico) and to be honest, this is utter bullshit. Blame goes on both sides, if not most of it goes to Mexico.

Wait how was Mexico to blame for waging a war for US aggression? Was it because they invited US immigrants to texas while telling them to specifically Do Not Bring Slaves? and then tried to enforce it when the US did bring them? And then when Mexico wanted to actually get TAXES for the lands they leased the US citizens would not pay, so when the army arrived they fought them? So would it be wrong to say that Mexico is wrong for trying to control their own lands? I mean sure the Alamo was wrong, but what US did was not right.

But hey we are not trying to do the same today with illegal immigration right? Its not like we want taxes from the immigrants who pay them anyway, and its not like we offer them benefits for which they work 18 hours a day. Man i just dont get it... what have we done wrong?

[Eleven]

Might makes right and we've got heaps of both.

[lompocus]

We pwnt you in the war of 1812.
We pwnt the mexicans.

Oh no the mexicans... what ever will we do, they are throwing rocks at us... oh no! jeez mexico just won their war of independence so their army and population was exhausted. Not to mention the US attacked mexico to steel land on a presence. So winning = robbing Mexico.

I am a mexican (partially, and I live in mexico) and to be honest, this is utter bullshit. Blame goes on both sides, if not most of it goes to Mexico.

I'm mexican too, and I will QTFT (quote this for truth)

lesser stfu. Mexico was just stupid in the way they, or rather their elitist sect of ub3r rich businessmen, ran the country.

On the other hand, the US had a legitimate reason to invade mexico. There was no reason to completely obliterate mexico in the way we did, however, but we did, and that's the past, and mexico still sucks (unless you go to puereperto, that's an awesome little town!).

and WTF is it with everyone automatically linking mexicans to immigration?

@ ciwawa: You are not only ignorant, you are the very definition of ignorant. You are a walking hard copy of ignorant.

[Lesserevil]

Ok might makes right, that i can concede, thats why it was ok to exterminate the jews? (Sorry to bring that up, but its easy to overlook the small things when you think you are all powerful, like the cost of lives and doing the 'right' thing. However i agree "right" is subjective.

@lompocus

On the other hand, the US had a legitimate reason to invade mexico. There was no reason to completely obliterate mexico in the way we did, however, but we did, and that's the past, and mexico still sucks (unless you go to puereperto, that's an awesome little town!).

o.O are you stupid? Even US historians that is those that try to brainwash you (ok they did not actually try with you, it looks like they succeeded) admit that it was the USA that instigated that war. Other then greed there was no reason to invade mexico. And while it is in the past, it is also a huge part of todays problems. Because alot of mexicans and generally speaking Latino's and other immigrants enter the US from mexico. Hence why we try to make a giant fence over there. Why we have over zelous border guards and alot of Spanish speaking communities there.

While i cant argue that mexico has alot of issues it is still alot better then alot of places. Except mexico city, thats alot of polution right there.

And mexico = immigration because its very easy to cross that area of mexico to US. Thats why we have border guards and fences there etc. Its just a stereotype that was true at some point. But now is engrained into US consciousness. 

[Ciwawa]

We pwnt you in the war of 1812.
We pwnt the mexicans.

Oh no the mexicans... what ever will we do, they are throwing rocks at us... oh no! jeez mexico just won their war of independence so their army and population was exhausted. Not to mention the US attacked mexico to steel land on a presence. So winning = robbing Mexico.

I am a mexican (partially, and I live in mexico) and to be honest, this is utter bullshit. Blame goes on both sides, if not most of it goes to Mexico.

I'm mexican too, and I will QTFT (quote this for truth)

lesser stfu. Mexico was just stupid in the way they, or rather their elitist sect of ub3r rich businessmen, ran the country.

On the other hand, the US had a legitimate reason to invade mexico. There was no reason to completely obliterate mexico in the way we did, however, but we did, and that's the past, and mexico still sucks (unless you go to puereperto, that's an awesome little town!).

and WTF is it with everyone automatically linking mexicans to immigration?

@ ciwawa: You are not only ignorant, you are the very definition of ignorant. You are a walking hard copy of ignorant.

Yes of course you are not in iraq for oil i trust you

[Eleven]

Ok might makes right, that i can concede, thats why it was ok to exterminate the jews?   

No it's not okay to exterminate the jews, that's why half the world kicked Hitler's ass for it, among other things 

[Lesserevil]

Ok might makes right, that i can concede, thats why it was ok to exterminate the jews?   

No it's not okay to exterminate the jews, that's why half the world kicked Hitler's ass for it, among other things 

Glad we agree