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TheDeadlyShoe Offline
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« Reply #160 on: April 21, 2008, 04:26:39 pm »

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Yea they were much better off getting attacked with biological weapons by their own leader.  
 

In the 1980s, when Iraq war our ally.  Does kind of bring into question alliances with..say.. the Uzbeks or Saudis.  But the needs of the War on Terror are paramount, just as the needs of the War on Communism were paramount, and I'm sure there'll be something else to be paramount about in the future to justify propping up dictators.

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On Bush and WMD's, its a lame argument for bashing the Iraq war, if not the lamest. WMD's was not the only reason we went to war with Iraq, and even if it were, its not Bush's fault at all. Bush had every ounce of reason to belive there were WMD's in Iraq because that is what the US intellegence told him, Bush didn't deliberately lie to the "american people"...
No, it's pretty blatantly Bush's fault.

There was zero evidence that there ever were any WMDs.   Even a cursory look at the prewar intelligence process reveals that it was the purest kind of bullshit: they really didn't care whether it was true or not.  WMDs were the only way to present the war as preemptive and defensive, and were also a key part of the "Saddam = Al Qaeda" wink-wink nudge-nudge campaign.  WMDs were all you heard about in the runup to Iraq and they were the proximate cause for the war. 

Lemme put it this way, there's a lot more evidence for the "War for Oil" than there ever was for WMDs.  (Oil ministry, postwar profiteering, Iraq's now-aborted switch to the Euro standard...vs aluminum tubes that can't be used in nukes, informants that are known to be unreliable, and weather balloons)

Does all of that make it Bush's fault? Well, yes. Does anyone think Al Gore would have invaded Iraq? Hell no.  Because he is not a fucking stupid douchebag like Rumsfeld or Bush or...hell, Doug Feith. 

I guess you could say it's not Bush's fault if you are of the persuasion that he's too mentally ill to take responsibility for his own actions.  The old stupid/evil paradox.

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As for the ethics of the Iraq war, there's really no reason to reinvent the wheel in this argument.  I'm a lapsed Catholic at best, but the Just War Doctrine lays it out pretty well:

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The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:

the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
there must be serious prospects of success;
the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.

Iraq: No, no, no, and no.     Fancy that.

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Eleven Offline
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« Reply #161 on: April 21, 2008, 04:33:28 pm »

Ironic that we occupy a major oil producing region and our gas prices continue rising.
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Jedi1 Offline
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« Reply #162 on: April 21, 2008, 04:46:49 pm »

Yeh thats because the wars not for getting the oil, it's for keeping the oil in the ground so the big oil companys can keep there prices highe without having to worry about cheep oil from the middleast compeeting and forcing them to lower there prices. Its not to get the oil, it's to keep the oil in the ground.
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« Reply #163 on: April 21, 2008, 05:02:02 pm »

This thread is stupid.

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TheDeadlyShoe Offline
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« Reply #164 on: April 21, 2008, 05:04:22 pm »

OK.
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« Reply #165 on: April 21, 2008, 05:37:36 pm »

Quote from: TheDeadlyShoe
There was zero evidence that there ever were any WMDs.   Even a cursory look at the prewar intelligence process reveals that it was the purest kind of bullshit: they really didn't care whether it was true or not.  WMDs were the only way to present the war as preemptive and defensive, and were also a key part of the "Saddam = Al Qaeda" wink-wink nudge-nudge campaign.  WMDs were all you heard about in the runup to Iraq and they were the proximate cause for the war.
Oh please. You are making our govt sound like a bunch of bloodthirsty assholes.
I've looked at all the evidence myself, and saying that the intellegence agencies really really fucked up is a much more rational explanation than saying that the govt deliberately lied to its people to start a war for no good reason.

It makes no fucking sense:
If the gov knew there were no WMD's, and if the gov lied to the people to gain support for the Iraq war. Common sense suggests that once we get into Iraq, its would be OBVIOUS there were no WMD's.
Why would the gov shoot themselves in the foot in such a insane, idiotic way?
No one in the gov is really that stupid.
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lompocus Offline
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« Reply #166 on: April 21, 2008, 06:30:57 pm »

I'm gonna take this thread in a new direction since lesser and ciwawa continue spamming the thread:

If the US suddenly, mysteriously vanished off the earth, as most of you seem to hope for, what would happen?

Let's see the stupid answers that will follow!
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Eleven Offline
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« Reply #167 on: April 21, 2008, 06:33:09 pm »

All of Canada sighs with relief, and Mexico's unemployment reaches 100%.
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Ciwawa Offline
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« Reply #168 on: April 21, 2008, 06:41:15 pm »

I'm gonna take this thread in a new direction since lesser and ciwawa continue spamming the thread:

If the US suddenly, mysteriously vanished off the earth, as most of you seem to hope for, what would happen?

Let's see the stupid answers that will follow!

Wtf i keep sappimg because is an interesting thread  Roll Eyes

And can you quote me where i sayed that i want us deleted from wrold map??? LOL???

Go to the first page and read my post in page 2-3 you have missed the point i never sayed "i hate usa" "usa is shit" "burn the us flag"

i sayed "many usa soldier are pure dick"  and gwb is a liar..... stop.....
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« Reply #169 on: April 21, 2008, 07:15:36 pm »

"i hate usa" "usa is shit" "burn the us flag"

i sayed "many usa soldier are pure dick"  and gwb is a liar..... stop.....

You just said it!  Grin
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lompocus Offline
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« Reply #170 on: April 21, 2008, 07:20:02 pm »

Ciwawa, aint that the same thing?

I repeat the quesitno: If a massive fuckin alien BOMB blew up North America, what would happen?
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Jedi1 Offline
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« Reply #171 on: April 21, 2008, 07:27:23 pm »

World would change. But that would happen if any country got obliterated by a massive alien bomb.
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lompocus Offline
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« Reply #172 on: April 21, 2008, 07:27:51 pm »

World would change. But that would happen if any country got obliterated by a massive alien bomb.

its a stealthy massive alien bomb.
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Jedi1 Offline
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« Reply #173 on: April 21, 2008, 07:29:03 pm »

Difference in the end result being?
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lompocus Offline
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« Reply #174 on: April 21, 2008, 07:52:09 pm »

Difference in the end result being?
A continent suddenly went missing, but no one knows why.
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Jedi1 Offline
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« Reply #175 on: April 21, 2008, 08:51:17 pm »

Again same resault has with any contry just magicly disapering. Why would there be anying specail about America being blow up by a Alien bomb some how stelthed so nobody can see what happens. I dought the resault would be much diffrent if any other contry suddenly disapered.
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« Reply #176 on: April 21, 2008, 08:56:16 pm »

America would be more influencial simply because it is.  Can't deny it's the super power =P  I'm not american, but I'm not stupid. =P
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lompocus Offline
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« Reply #177 on: April 21, 2008, 08:57:56 pm »

Again same resault has with any contry just magicly disapering. Why would there be anying specail about America being blow up by a Alien bomb some how stelthed so nobody can see what happens. I dought the resault would be much diffrent if any other contry suddenly disapered.
Roll Eyes

Try to think about everything american-influenced in your life.
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Greater Good Offline
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« Reply #178 on: April 21, 2008, 09:38:45 pm »

Again same resault has with any contry just magicly disapering. Why would there be anying specail about America being blow up by a Alien bomb some how stelthed so nobody can see what happens. I dought the resault would be much diffrent if any other contry suddenly disapered.
Roll Eyes

Try to think about everything american-influenced in your life.

I try not to, it makes me as sad as russian history.
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lompocus Offline
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« Reply #179 on: April 21, 2008, 11:33:50 pm »

Again same resault has with any contry just magicly disapering. Why would there be anying specail about America being blow up by a Alien bomb some how stelthed so nobody can see what happens. I dought the resault would be much diffrent if any other contry suddenly disapered.
Roll Eyes

Try to think about everything american-influenced in your life.

I try not to, it makes me as sad as russian history.

So I see you wish to live without these things made possible by american ingenurity and, most importantly, the FREEDOM to retain rights to your inventions (which sparks invention for profit):
-telephones
-computers
-anything related to computers
-modern american cars (ok they suck compared to ferrari ones but they don't cost 10 mil each!)
-modern military equipment your nation uses to defend itself
-you speak english on the internet!
-you use an english keyboard

the list goes on and on.
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