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[TheDeadlyShoe]

There were plane parts at the pentagon. You can find thousands of photographs of them.  This is probably the silliest of the 9/11 theories, as not only is there clear evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon, there is no credible theory of what else could have happened to all the people on the plane.

Building seven collapsed because of extensive structural damage, poor design, and massive fires fed by various backup generator fuel tanks in the building.

Pancaking by definition produces explosion sounds.  Bam bam bam bam bam!  That's the sound of shock waves.

Then there's the questions of motivation and secrecy.  What did anyone have to gain from the building collapse that they couldn't get from the ariliner attacks?  How could they attach so many of demolitions charges without anyone noticing?  You'd need dozens of demolitions charges to destroy a skyscraper, but hundreds or even thousands if you want it to pancake - a bunch for every floor.  Where would they get so many demolitions charges without questions being raised? Explosives aren't uncontrolled, especially not in those quantities.

Why would they blow up 7? what's the point? :p

Ultimately, 9/11 truth conspiracy theories cannot withstand even a hundredth of the scrutiny they give to 9/11 itself.

[Jedi1]

There is rekage but know were near enough to be a comercial air liner. No lugage, no chairs, one engine with could have come from something othere than a the Bowing.

Regaurding motive. Your going to have alot more support if the "Terrorists" actuly collaps the buildings. And if it was a goverment set up they would be easily able to aquire the required exsplosivs for the demolition. I think you under estimate there abilty to cover things up.

And you still havn't come up with an esxplanation to the fact that the plance circuled the Pentagon rather than hiting it directly.

[fldash]

The only real question regarding a conspiracy is:

Did the US have knowledge of the attacks?  If so, did they allow them to be carried out do start a war in the Middle East?

I find it quite peculiar that we haven't had any other major attacks since then, and that the anthrax mailings don't make much sense. 

On the anthrax mailings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdamOzrfZI0

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A49502-2001Dec15

[Libertine]

The only real question regarding a conspiracy is:

Did the US have knowledge of the attacks?  If so, did they allow them to be carried out do start a war in the Middle East?

I find it quite peculiar that we haven't had any other major attacks since then, and that the anthrax mailings don't make much sense. 

afaik the US were warned numerous times ahead of 9/11 that an Attack with hijacked Planes was being planned. I think they got the Infos from the Frenchies, or was it Saudis, i cant remember and cba to look it up at the moment.
considering that the whole dubya/cheney/rumsfeld clique wanted to wage war on iraq in the first place a certain ammount of suspicion arises about wether they delibaretly ignored all warnings prior to the attacks.
i mean, the one plane that could have caused real damage to the US in a geopolitical way, eq. the one bound for the white house, was the only one that didnt hit.
i never was a friend of all the conspiracy theories saying that the towers were blown up and the planes were just staged. thats a load of crap imo. the above version however explains a lot of things.
just look at the changes society went through since 9/11.
Cut down on Personal Freedoms, Orwellian Surveillance State...not to mention that without 9/11 bush would have never gotten reelected(imo). id say that in terms of the US Administration 9/11 benefited them far more then it hurt them.

[anthony210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

nuff said.

American owns.

[Thtb]

Satire of the US....

[Unkn0wn]

False flag operations, it's what the Germans did in 1933 with the fire on the Reichstag to make the soviets look back .

Anyway, I don't believe in conspiracy theories like the 9/11 one, seems utter bullshit to me.
I do think that 9/11 has been somewhat abused to be used as an excuse to justify the invasion of the middle east.

[AmPM]

Agreed Unk0wn, though the whole Iraq thing was something that should have been settled in '91.

[Libertine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

nuff said.

American owns.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rz7UNxnOI3M

nuff said.

[Libertine]

Agreed Unk0wn, though the whole Iraq thing was something that should have been settled in '91.

George Bush(not dubya, the other one) knew exactly why he left saddam in charge.
fact of the matter was that back then they knew the place was a powderkeg and with saddam gone itll just go boink within no time.
they had the option to finish him off back then but they didnt know how to get ouf ater that(read exit strategy).
dubya on ther other hand...well, we all know the story.

[anthony210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

nuff said.

American owns.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rz7UNxnOI3M

nuff said.

Shall I go back in time and find out what other nations did to prisoners?  That video is bad yes but dont act like we are the only ones that do this. 

[Libertine]

Shall I go back in time and find out what other nations did to prisoners?  That video is bad yes but dont act like we are the only ones that do this. 

im disgusted for the least to say...
by saying "dont act like we are the only ones that do this" you sort of imply that its ok as long as others torture aswell ? hmm, let us go down that lane, ok ?
according to that logic it would be ok for me to rob a bank or murder someone cause hey, after all, others do it aswell.

and yes, that video is bad, and shows what kind of hippocrits run the US at the moment.
torture and detention without the right to a fair trial in the name of freedom and democracy.
see the contradiction there or want me to draw you a map ?

oh, and for the record, heres a couple of other countries that systematically torture:
China
Myanmar
North Korea
hope your proud to be on that list.

[roflmao]

excactly, theres just too much odd. Its the sum of the little things.


why did building 7 collaps?

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
Explains building 7 in detail.
In the world of crazy conspiracy theorists, any coincidence converts the whole event into a evil doing from the government. They love to throw a smoke screen of "facts" at you and then proceed to make insane connections for each one, which leaves you startled. But in fact you can draw much more logical connections to the fact's.

I find it quite peculiar that we haven't had any other major attacks since then, and that the anthrax mailings don't make much sense.

Well, maybe the fact that we invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq has something to do with that .

I do think that 9/11 has been somewhat abused to be used as an excuse to justify the invasion of the middle east.

Of course it was used as a "excuse", but the thing is that I don't think it was the Bush administration tricking the public, if anything everyone built a zealous hate towards the middle-eastern terrorists.

[Libertine]

Well, maybe the fact that we invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq has something to do with that .

london subway bombings ... and it was proven that saddam had no connection to bin laden whatsoever.

[roflmao]

Subway bombings were 3 years ago, amazingly enough.
And the hell? Saddam was using millions to supply arms for Bin Laden.

@DeadlyShoe :
Claiming that the US government lied to us to get us involved in the war fails on a much simpler level. For almost the same reason 9/11 conspiracy theories do. I repeat my question.
Why would the government shoot themselves in the foot in such a insane, idiotic way?
No one in the gov is that stupid, it doesn't make much sense.

Oh, and what exactly do you define the "WMD conspiracy theory" to be? You got me a bit confused.

[anthony210]

Shall I go back in time and find out what other nations did to prisoners?  That video is bad yes but dont act like we are the only ones that do this. 

im disgusted for the least to say...
by saying "dont act like we are the only ones that do this" you sort of imply that its ok as long as others torture aswell ? hmm, let us go down that lane, ok ?
according to that logic it would be ok for me to rob a bank or murder someone cause hey, after all, others do it aswell.

and yes, that video is bad, and shows what kind of hippocrits run the US at the moment.
torture and detention without the right to a fair trial in the name of freedom and democracy.
see the contradiction there or want me to draw you a map ?

oh, and for the record, heres a couple of other countries that systematically torture:
China
Myanmar
North Korea
hope your proud to be on that list.

Dont put words into my mouth.  I never said it was ok.  But your hate for america that seems to be stemming from crimes that occured in these prisons is just wrong.  

You want someone to hate? Why dont you hate the ones that are responsible for causing this whole mess in the first place.  The terrorists who blow themselves up daily and hijack plans to run into buildings.  The crimes in those prisons are because we are trying to prevent terrorism in OUR country.  

If youll notice we havent had one terrorist attack in the united states since 9/11, Do you know why that is?  Because after 9/11 we went and hunted terrorists down.  We invaded Afghanistan, we invaded Iraq.  We capture those prisoners and put them in those horrible prisons.  Sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people end up in those prisons but like I said before, its a war and in this war its hard to tell the differance between friend or foe.  Shit happens, get over it.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

And the hell? Saddam was using millions to supply arms for Bin Laden.

No he wasn't.

If youll notice we havent had one terrorist attack in the united states since 9/11

Yes we have.  And don't forget the horrible bombings in Spain.

The last major terror attack before 9/11 was the previous WTC bombing (I think)...that's a 7 year gap.. we're at 7 years right now... so we're not exactly far ahead of the curve here.

In any case, why fly here when they can blow up soldiers closer to home instead?

[anthony210]

And the hell? Saddam was using millions to supply arms for Bin Laden.

No he wasn't.

I have no doubt that Saddam harbored terrorists, maybe not Bin Ladin but im positive he would have no problem helping him if he needed it.

[Libertine]

If youll notice we havent had one terrorist attack in the united states since 9/11, Do you know why that is?  Because after 9/11 we went and hunted terrorists down.  We invaded Afghanistan, we invaded Iraq.  We capture those prisoners and put them in those horrible prisons.  Sometimes mistakes happen and innocent people end up in those prisons but like I said before, its a war and in this war its hard to tell the differance between friend or foe.  Shit happens, get over it.

where i live we havent had a terrorist attack in hmm, 30 years and that one back then was directed at OPEC and not the Country itself. wanna know why that is ? cause we dont try to shove our own opinion and views down everyone elses throat trying to tell them what to think and saying that they should be happy you bombed their country back to the stoneage and they now have a 500 times higher chance to fall victim to violence then under saddams rule.

go on living in your perfect world where the US saved the world by invading iraq and afganistan.
continue to believe your gods gift to humanity and the world would tumble into chaos without you. oh, and do continue to watch fox news, other channels may put a scratch on your perception of the world and how everyone else depends on you.

im outta here, theres just no argueing with fools

[Legend]

lol isnt this forum locked yet???