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[Leafedge]

See, that is what I was talking about. That is what makes me mad. When people suicide units to kill vet even if they have nothing to gain. When our pershings rushed in for the panther, we have something to gain and little to lose. Which means I have a motivation for doing it beyond a malicious desire to kill vet. I wanted vet 3 on my pershing, and that panther kill was what got it. I guess what I'm saying is that I participate in and expect a certain degree of vet hunting, but what I find in bad taste is vet suiciding. The only motivation is malicious and is intended to hurt the other player.

And anyways, like you said, no gg's had been exchanged at that point, in fact you guys never said gg. So as far as we were concerned, you guys still had a final push ready to go, and that panther could have been repaired back to full when the area had been relatively secured, and I;m sure it would have if there had been a safe way to do it.

[relentless707]

Well to clarify Novox mate, the Stug was at the centre of the Map near the small village/town area where the T Junction goes off to the right, quite away from the Spawn and the MG42's were setup in the buildings, Stug was on the Road trying to head back but as said - several Ranger squads [ Think it was 5 total unvetted ] were charged in, got mauled by the MG's and Tiger - fired off a nasty alpha on the Stug - soon as it blew up they all retreated, so make what you will of it I guess..

- Schwarzuhr

[Novox]

And anyways, like you said, no gg's had been exchanged at that point, in fact you guys never said gg. So as far as we were concerned, you guys still had a final push ready to go, and that panther could have been repaired back to full when the area had been relatively secured, and I;m sure it would have if there had been a safe way to do it.

yeah usually when i play a game, and the outcome is fairly obvious that im going to win and the opposing team says gg, i think its a sign that its over, saying : dont worry about it, you won. Therefore i give them time to retreat everything and just push up slowly capping. If nothing is said, i still believe you guys are sending blobs so i'll obviously kill anything moving .

Well to clarify Novox mate, the Stug was at the centre of the Map near the small village/town area where the T Junction goes off to the right, quite away from the Spawn and the MG42's were setup in the buildings, Stug was on the Road trying to head back but as said - several Ranger squads [ Think it was 5 total unvetted ] were charged in, got mauled by the MG's and Tiger - fired off a nasty alpha on the Stug - soon as it blew up they all retreated, so make what you will of it I guess..

- Schwarzuhr

ouch thats nasty. Oh well tho, it is only a vet 2 stug, would've been worst if it was vet 3
At least the hmg's and tiger got a few kills :S

[Thtb]

For me gg simple means that someone is to lasy to say Good Game, not ;
gg= I am now going to retreat / suck it up / In your face / hahahahaha
like you guys seem to think....

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

Jesus Christ, I go away from prowling the forums for a day and a whole bunch of shit hits the fan......

Ok look, this is exactly what happened. The Panther blew through our lines to go chase down an M8 (although the main goal was to go after the calliope) I send in shermans and stuff to go ahead and try to cover the calliope (at this point they still held the city on the right and the small village area on the left(La Province)). The Panther is wounded and I lost a Sherman. Know I know that there was a repiar bunker and I knew that the Panther is going there to get fixed. Now I know that the Panther would be back for more and I know it has German Steel (aka a bitch to fucking kill) I run an M8 with mines around the city on the right and go straight up to the repair bunker. I lay a mine near the Panther, and the Puma and it detonates giving a dammaged engine to both and I blow up the Flamenwherfer that had already taken some hits. And I try to leave and the M8 gets 1 shotted by the Panther. Now I know that I have stalled the repair by a bit. So Leaf begins arty barrages on it at the repair bunker. We move in and then go after the Panther that had a destroyed engine and like 5% health and was crawling away. Leaf moves in his Pershing I cover him from the P4 and the shreks and the Panther and P4 go down. Then we get a "gg wankers" and all of that.

I'm sorry but this whole vet hunting bullshit is purely that BULLSHIT. If I'm in a tank an I'm leaving from a battle they aren't going to stop shooting me I will be continuously shot at, and if I have engine trouble then I am simply fucked. I mean comeon, why should I not kill something so it can't be used another day? If we have this progressive war you need to think down the line as well. Do I want that Panther to gain up vet and then have a stand off between that and my Pershing down the road? Fuck no.

So Wolster I am sorry if this has angered you so much, but I was unaware that there are a specific set of rules for attacking something. From now own I will ask the opponent if it is ok for me to shoot something. I hope that we can play more games together in the future, but in my opinion I see nothing that was done horrbily wrong. At that stage in time I would have probably not rushed up to kill the Panther but in retrospect it is totally legit, we ran in units that meant something to us to kill a unit so that it couldn't be used against us in the future.

Edit: The "twofaced arses" title isn't exactly all too nice, just saying that.

[Wildfire]

good reasons bodybag. I'd have done the same.

sometimes I get upset when say my m10 or m4 has lost its gone and they still try and kill it but i can't say i wouldn't do it.

I think axis vs allies going after a limping tank is kinda weak, they can't repair it once it reaches a certain point w/o it taking a long time. Heck me if my tank is low and i'm moving it away from the battle it's going off the field if it's engine and or gun is gone.

I personally dont believe in vet hunting or killing retreating units, it's unsportsmanlike and I do nothing against another player that would piss me off as well, just makes sense but i guess not everyone thinks like me.

Anywho. Hopefully this is all resolved, i'd hate to see this keep going forward in some stupid arguement over who's right and wrong.

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

I see it as this why give a tank a chance to see another day? That same tank may come back and bite you in the ass. This whole "vet hunting" shit is just an excuse so when a vetted tank dies near the spawns the person can begin bitching (not directed at Wolster, but the people that bitch about this issue a lot).

[Novox]

I see it as this why give a tank a chance to see another day? That same tank may come back and bite you in the ass. This whole "vet hunting" shit is just an excuse so when a vetted tank dies near the spawns the person can begin bitching (not directed at Wolster, but the people that bitch about this issue a lot).

Thats one way of seeing it... I see it as, i worked so hard and i threw so much shit at that German Steel Panther, to simply see it crawl away? Fuck that, if i got it that low, i think i deserve to blow it.

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

Both have the same point: if it is on the field it is fair play.

i think i deserve to blow it.

[NLeaflar]

Hmm, notice Bodybag's Sig...I forgot about that.

Edit: Damn, wrong account, again...Gah! It really sucks that I can't get games on my main anymore. None of my posts get posted on the right account.

[DerangedGerman]

Look, Wolster, I was VERY pissed off when I played against my first gimmick enemy, and got vet hunted for the first time. It was 40+ Vet 2+ AB, on 2 players. They vet hunted a panther that was running off. It was my only vet2, and they actually dropped AB ON MY SPAWN to block it. Yes, I was pissed. I've gotten over it.

Myself, I hate vet hunting. But it happens. If people don't do it to me, I don't do it to them. The reverse is also true. If you hunt down a retreating P4, you bet your ass I'm running down your Pershing and killing it. Treat people as you wish to be treated.

[twzcatinhat]

i once had an allied player shoot my vet 2 Tiger last war when it was getting off the field. He was new to Eir and CoH and he didn't know if coh had ff so he tryed a pak with a rear shot on the tiger... well tiger never made it back to spawn... after that battle he deleted his account never saw him again...

things happen

"If people don't do it to me, I don't do it to them." I'm with that

[Wraith547]

People obsess way to much over vet.

If I have the opportunity to finish off a vet squad I will do it 100% of the time. I would never sacrifice a game to chase vet, but I am not going to let your tank get away just because you will be mad that I kill it.

Why would I let a vet 3 tanks off-map when I am just going to have to deal with it sometime down the road? You call it griefing, I call it common sense.

[twzcatinhat]

if you see a vet 3 tank coming to you kill it but don't throw everything of your army to kill that single unit. I have few vet units and one vet 2 unit. so i'm not really obsess with vet hell ask andy how many times i fight to the death

[Novox]

People obsess way to much over vet.

If I have the opportunity to finish off a vet squad I will do it 100% of the time. I would never sacrifice a game to chase vet, but I am not going to let your tank get away just because you will be mad that I kill it.

Why would I let a vet 3 tanks off-map when I am just going to have to deal with it sometime down the road? You call it griefing, I call it common sense.

its common sense, why would i let something that just killed a couple of units get off field. Why? seriously. Oh because you like that unit? yeah will what if i liked the units you just destroyed...

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

It is not vet hunting, when the fucking thing has 1 level of vet. But that is besides the point. We used a lot of units to get it to the point where it would have a very hard time to get off the field. Are we suppose to sit there and let it get off the field? This whole vet hunting mindset is purely bullshit. Why should I stop shooting something when it is still on the field, I have control up to where it is, and it is trying to run away? I mean it is purely a stupid thing we have here. That Panther makes it off, gains vet 2, gains vet 3, then I play a game against him with now a vet 3 Panther that is now multiple times harder to kill and it kills my stuff. Seriously stop hiding behind this "vet killing" shit as an excuse to yell at people. YOU had the unit on the field. I had a unit that could kill it and I did just that. This is so fucking stupid the logic just does not make any sense. If the Panther had had support we probably would have been forced to bug out, but there was nothing there other then a P4 and shrek squads that had just gotten on the field by the other player and were running over to try to help, but the Pershing's were already engaged. It wasn't like we ran through half the map around the enemies units to go kill the Panther, we had taken over the city and pushed them back. A P4 was out getting repaired and the other guy was still bringing out troops, I guess I should now ask for permission before moving forward, and ask what I may kill? There is a difference between killing a unit and suiciding shit to kill a unit. We had the ground and advanced foward to kill what was there. The Panther was more or less disabled and crawling, I'm sorry but with a tank down to such little health I'm suppose to let it crawl away? That is just fucking stupid.

[Thtb]

Hunting down retreating units and not hunting them down sometimes makes the difference between a bash and a GG....
-Meaning both sides Bodybag.

I dont have the issue since the only vet unit that i have and that ppl hunt and actually kill is the nebelwerfer i vet. up to vet. 2 evry game just to lose it. PPL lose like 10 units to kill it and are like "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA pwned".
All my other vet units are inf that can just retreat witht he press of a button. Vet hunters are easy victims since they charce right into evry hmg out there.
Use there stupidity to your advantage, dont go down to there level. (They beat you by XP)

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

But you have to look at it from a perspective of "do I want to see that unit again to get stronger so it can come back and do a lot of dammage to me"?

Let me say this: I do not go out and hunt down units, but if I push up and see a unit I'm not going to back off and run away. It is on the field and now my units are here. I do not like when a person goes just sends stuff through enemy lines with the sole purpose of killing 1 unit. But that was not the case in this scenario. I mean what if I was airborne and I dropped behind the repair bunker with rrs to shoot the Panther. I mean I don't want it coming back, but I'm sure that would be called vet hunting but there is NOTHING wrong with doing that. Why should I give the enemy the luxury of repairing a unit back to full health?

[CommanderNewbie]

Every time you put something in play, especially a valuable unit, understand that in all likelihood the enemy will be doing everything they can to destroy it.  This is probably one of the only places where people actually think of it as unsportsman-like for an opponent to destroy their units; which, ironically, is the very objective of the game.

[salan]

wolster has lost enough vet in this game he should be use to it by now