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[Tym]

Say after Pearl Harbor, what do you guys think would've happened if Italy and Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.? Do you think we would have gone into Europe? Or would America have just handled it's business in the Pacific?

Would Europe have fallen and would Germany have set its sights on America? There were hints here and there that Hitler was training his men to do just that. Could America have fought off a German attack on the East coast, especially while we were battling the Japanese in the Pacific? How about how hard would it have been to defeat Germany if Northern African, Britian and the other countries that we used as Staging Area's had gone under the Reich rule?

Discuss!

[Righteous Path]

Say after Pearl Harbor, what do you guys think would've happened if Italy and Germany didn't declare war on the U.S.? Do you think we would have gone into Europe? Or would America have just handled it's business in the Pacific?

Would Europe have fallen and would Germany have set its sights on America? There were hints here and there that Hitler was training his men to do just that. Could America have fought off a German attack on the East coast, especially while we were battling the Japanese in the Pacific? How about how hard would it have been to defeat Germany if Northern African, Britian and the other countries that we used as Staging Area's had gone under the Reich rule?

Discuss!

They should'nt have, if they didn't they could've devoted most of their time to Russia, and when they raped Russia, with their Maus and Rattes, and then when Russia was fucked all the way to Kamchatka, if America wasn't done with Japan, they'd have invaded Japan. Then gone for Europe. Although I think if it really came to it, America would've attacked Germany & Italy if Britain fell. If they didn't, I fully believe Italy would've joined with Germany, they'd have conquered Africa and Australia, and by that time we'd be powerless to stop them, except with nukes, which by this time they may or may not have.

Tl;dr: Germany pwns everybody, we nuke them.

[Apex]

I think the US would have followed their isolationism politicy and would have not intervened in a war in Europe. The US would have fought Japan, but that would've been probably it.

Still, Germany would still have lost WW2, even when Hitler wouldn't have declared war on the US. The US involvement accelerated the downfall of the Third Reich, but soon or later even without America, Germany would have fallen.

You have to keep in mind that D-Day was only in 1944, when much already had happened in WW2. After the Battles of Stalingrad in '42 and Kursk in '43 the Wehrmacht had lost the operational initiative on the eastern front. In both battles the losses were so high that the Reich could not recover fromt them. The Soviet Union, with its huge reserves of manpower and material, was beginning to take the offensive and pushed the Germans back.

In 1944, with the sommer offensive Operation Bagration, the Soviet Juggernaut steamrolled the widely overstreched german frontline, resulting in the entire destruction of army group center. Without US involvement Germany could have resisted longer, but defeat was already inevitable.

[Wraith547]

Hitler lost the war when he chose to invade russia instead of listening to his generals and pursuing a North Africa victory.

[Tym]

I agree with Wraith. He got greedy and stretched himself, I never understood why he decided to go into Russian and he wasn't done in Western Europe

[GammaCommander]

If the US didn't get involved in Europe though, the Cold War might have gone a different way. The Soviets would not only have control of mainland Europe, but they would also have captured many key German scientists. This could have given the Soviets an enormous advantage after WW2 in terms of technology.

[Tym]

If the US didn't get involved in Europe though, the Cold War might have gone a different way. The Soviets would not only have control of mainland Europe, but they would also have captured many key German scientists. This could have given the Soviets an enormous advantage after WW2 in terms of technology.

didn't think about that.

[PrydainII]

To put it simply the Axis would have lost either way.

The British and Russians accomplished many victorys without the United States (Russia destroyed the Axis invasion forces, the United Kingdom held North Africa, ect). There where plans for if the US did not enter the European theatre, look at the British Commando raid in Vaagso as an example, it caused the Wehrmacht to reinforce their Norway garrison, taking units out of Russia and North Africa, this happened often in several different places, and different platforms where used to conduct the raids, the Dam Buster raid is an example, another would be the St. Nazaire Raid.

The United States would have been just as useful putting all of its resources into both the Battle for the Atlantic and the Pacific theatre, taking pressure off of the Commonwealth forces in China, Burma and the Pacific.

[AmPM]

Hitler lost the war when he spent a year helping the Italians out with their failed attack on Greece, had they attacked Russia a year earlier and focused on the push to Moscow the Soviet Union would have fallen within the year. All the rail lines at the time passed through Moscow before heading elsewhere, so its the cutoff point. Finishing there would have easily allowed a victory in North Africa and following that the invasion of Britain, who would eventually succumb to attrition as the Germans would have used Ostbattalions (Russian and other eastern Europeans) to spearhead the invasion.

Even if the US had entered the war we couldn't have operated that far from our own shores without the safe haven that was England.

The Japanese would have lost no matter what, they never had the resources to challenge the US in the Pacific after they failed to sink our carrier fleet (which was luckily out on operations on December 7th 1941) and the loss of the battleship fleet really didn't matter much due to the change in the way navies did war, using aircraft instead of the big guns.

So had the timeline should have gone Russia in Spring of 1940, North Africa through 1942, Britain in 43, consolidate in 45 and probable stalemate with the US for a few years.

[RedDevilNarref]

First of all sorry but i don't speak english very well

Hitler lost the war when he chose to invade russia instead of listening to his generals and pursuing a North Africa victory.

I disagree, the URSS wouldn't let germany to become too much strong, they were going to declare war upong germany, but their army in 1940 was really poor (as it was showed in the war with finland) the war with the urss was something like "now or never" because the soviets were remodelizating their entire army and were becoming stronger very fast, if germany hadn't started the war with urss the urss would have started it later and then, germany wouldn't have any chance.

[Rahx]

First of all sorry but i don't speak english very well

Hitler lost the war when he chose to invade russia instead of listening to his generals and pursuing a North Africa victory.

I disagree, the URSS wouldn't let germany to become too much strong, they were going to declare war upong germany, but their army in 1940 was really poor (as it was showed in the war with finland) the war with the urss was something like "now or never" because the soviets were remodelizating their entire army and were becoming stronger very fast, if germany hadn't started the war with urss the urss would have started it later and then, germany wouldn't have any chance.

It's the USSR! 
(Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics) 

[Chris32123]

If the US didn't get involved in Europe though, the Cold War might have gone a different way. The Soviets would not only have control of mainland Europe, but they would also have captured many key German scientists. This could have given the Soviets an enormous advantage after WW2 in terms of technology.

come to think about it if the USSR hald mainland europe that be 65% of the world being red

[Tym]

If the US didn't get involved in Europe though, the Cold War might have gone a different way. The Soviets would not only have control of mainland Europe, but they would also have captured many key German scientists. This could have given the Soviets an enormous advantage after WW2 in terms of technology.

come to think about it if the USSR hald mainland europe that be 65% of the world being red

yeah...scary

[RedDevilNarref]

First of all sorry but i don't speak english very well

Hitler lost the war when he chose to invade russia instead of listening to his generals and pursuing a North Africa victory.

I disagree, the URSS wouldn't let germany to become too much strong, they were going to declare war upong germany, but their army in 1940 was really poor (as it was showed in the war with finland) the war with the urss was something like "now or never" because the soviets were remodelizating their entire army and were becoming stronger very fast, if germany hadn't started the war with urss the urss would have started it later and then, germany wouldn't have any chance.

It's the USSR! 
(Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics) 

sorry it's because in spanish is URSS (union de republicas sovieticas) and i didn't realized that it was diferent in english.

[DerangedGerman]

I never figured this one out...

Why is the US EEUU?

[RedDevilNarref]

I never figured this one out...

Why is the US EEUU?

estados undios double letters are for plurals.

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

Estados United I believe is united states in spanish so perhaps there are a few extra words or sumthin.

[PrydainII]

Russia in Spring of 1940

That would have been just as foolish, Invading Denmark, Norway and not to mention the invasion of France.

Fighting for Narvik, Moscow and assembling garrison forces in each of the occupied countrys at the same time would have destroyed the Axis OOB.

[Skunker]

Hitler lost the war when he spent a year helping the Italians out with their failed attack on Greece, had they attacked Russia a year earlier and focused on the push to Moscow the Soviet Union would have fallen within the year. All the rail lines at the time passed through Moscow before heading elsewhere, so its the cutoff point. Finishing there would have easily allowed a victory in North Africa and following that the invasion of Britain, who would eventually succumb to attrition as the Germans would have used Ostbattalions (Russian and other eastern Europeans) to spearhead the invasion.

Even if the US had entered the war we couldn't have operated that far from our own shores without the safe haven that was England.

The Japanese would have lost no matter what, they never had the resources to challenge the US in the Pacific after they failed to sink our carrier fleet (which was luckily out on operations on December 7th 1941) and the loss of the battleship fleet really didn't matter much due to the change in the way navies did war, using aircraft instead of the big guns.

So had the timeline should have gone Russia in Spring of 1940, North Africa through 1942, Britain in 43, consolidate in 45 and probable stalemate with the US for a few years.

And a rather speedy defeat as mushroom clouds litter the skies over Europe.

[AmPM]

Not really, with Russian resources available and heavy water from Norway they could have completed their own bombs, bombs that would be delivered by jet powered bombers.