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[acker]

How many people here think that Sealion could have occurred?

[Kolath]

Sealion?

[MasonDonn]

Sealion?

operation Sealion, let me grab some wiki info -
Operation Sealion (German: Unternehmen Seelöwe) was Germany's plan to invade the United Kingdom during World War II, beginning in 1940. The operation was postponed indefinitely on 17 September 1940.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sealion

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

There is a reason why the UK has not been invaded for 500 years you know.

[AmpmX]

Its worthless? =)

Nah, it could have been invaded, just not in 1940. North Africa and Russia would have to be subdued first.

[MasonDonn]

yeah, unless Germany could completely knock out the RAF, and cut all American supplies to britain, they would have no chance.

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

Plus isn't it extreamely hard for a beach invasion due to there not really being beaches but instead cliffs and shit? That little island is just fucking hard to get into by means other then air.

[AmpmX]

Well, if they had kept bombing airfields instead of cities the RAF would have been eliminated fairly easily, but no....that and they didn't destroy the radar facilities. Once those are gone its a war of attrition, firebomb the island till nothing stands, then invade.

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

If they had done that the war probably would have not lasted as long due to the huge amounts of resources being used, but then again russia might have wound up being an enemy then an angry ally.

[MasonDonn]

Well, if they had kept bombing airfields instead of cities the RAF would have been eliminated fairly easily, but no....that and they didn't destroy the radar facilities. Once those are gone its a war of attrition, firebomb the island till nothing stands, then invade.

The problem with completely firebombing everything is that it would be extremely costly for all the needed supplies, and if you manage to take over, what do you get? A smoking hunk of charred earth?

[AmpmX]

The idea is that you don't want the land, you want the British destroyed and the island occupied as a fortress for if the americans get any big ideas. So you no longer have any enemies within striking distance with Russia and Britain out of the picture, and you can link up with the Japanese to send them supplies in the East while building up in Europe in Africa.

[Ununoctium]

The idea is that you don't want the land, you want the British destroyed and the island occupied as a fortress for if the americans get any big ideas. So you no longer have any enemies within striking distance with Russia and Britain out of the picture, and you can link up with the Japanese to send them supplies in the East while building up in Europe in Africa.

i wonder what would happen if the Japanese tried to cross Asia and met up with the first Islamic extremists testing out dynamite?

Kamikaze!
Infidels!
 

[Pengu]

Except that that Islam as you know it did not exist until after the 6 days war. Suicide bombings is also kinda a newish idea in the sense that honestly until recently it was not very common at all.

[twzcatinhat]

there was a post about this ... so no need to make a new one.

[acker]

Well, if they had kept bombing airfields instead of cities the RAF would have been eliminated fairly easily, but no....that and they didn't destroy the radar facilities. Once those are gone its a war of attrition, firebomb the island till nothing stands, then invade.

Actually, the entire northern section of Britain is out of range of any Axis fighter or bomber. British contingency plans in case of a "lost" Battle of Britain involves moving most of the RAF to fields on this untouchable place...which is still close enough to the British beaches to mount an aerial offensive.

It is of interest to note that, even in the darkest days of airfield bombing, British losses (after taking production into account) to their total fighter strength are still lower than the German losses of the same time period. German pilot losses are understandably worse as well.

Germany never builds a strategic bomber capable of seriously affecting British industry in the sense of a Lancaster or a B-17/24. Germany also lacks the pilots to maintain a strategic bomber offense. Actually, I'm pretty sure that Germany never builds a strategic bomber, period.

In order to keep aliens and other life forms out of the discussion, please assume that Hitler remains Hitler and invades Russia with Barbarossa as on schedule. No point in letting Russia rearm for too long, after all.

[PrydainII]

Sealion fails because no matter how many Vet3 StuGs you have, getting them over the white cliffs of Dover would have been impossible. The Luftwaffe was decimated in 1940 wile the RAF got stronger and stronger quicker than the Axis air fleets could replenish aircraft and men.

The German navy was not a greatly thought out force and the tactics it used where basicaly to destroy shipping instead of destroying forces and will.

An infantry only assault would have been retarded and basically lose the war for the Axis seeing as they would loose so many men.

[AmPM]

Russian conscripts to use in the assault + complete firebombing of the nation = win

[Smithy17]

It is of interest to note that, even in the darkest days of airfield bombing, British losses (after taking production into account) to their total fighter strength are still lower than the German losses of the same time period. German pilot losses are understandably worse as well.

I read somewhere that production of RAF fighters was greater than losses for most of the battle of britain. They just couldn't train enough pilots quickly enough to use them.

[Unkn0wn]

Göring & Hitler fail.

[Thtb]

Acker, you mean "cant reach" (british targets) because of the british air defence or? Since if you go by distance, some german bombers coud even reach new york.