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[Malevolence]

The bridge was pretty much invincible back when I played this map. Was it changed? I only ever saw it blow up like one time ever.

[fallensoldier7]

I've seen bombing runs and firestorms damage them.  The bridges don't look any different from the bridges on Lyon and Vire tbh.  I bet stukas and nebels could destroy the bridges too.

[Malevolence]

Yeah well I TRIED to blow it up once or twice by force-firing a pak or tank on it, after like 3 or 4 minutes there was barely even a noticeable dent in its health.

Hence why I'm asking if it's different, because it sounds like it is...

[LCII^Bun-Bun]

Nah, bridges just have l33t h4x which makes damaging it with anything except explosives (demolitions, goliaths) or artillery impossible.

However, artillery rips bridges: hummel only needs one shot in vCoH, stuka's 1 salvo, firestorm also 1 I believe...

So yeah, arties can destroy bridges pretty easily, normal guns and tanks can't though.

PS: It's not totally impossible, but it's VERY damn hard and takes fucking AGES.

[fallensoldier7]

Yea, normal tank/ATGs never damage bridges. 

[LeoPhone]

also, in some old patch is was possible to use stuff like territories not connected to eachother, artillery dropping at the beginning of a match or MAKING BRIDGES INVUNRABLE.

with some new patch, that was all impossible. so if he once made the bridges invunrable, they arent now.

and the map is great btw.

[SturmGrenadieren]

So....? we can blow bridges?

[Tymathee]

 Yea really only arty casn take down the bridges. Or demos if you want to waste 'em

[CrazyWR]

demos aren't wasted if you take down 2 hetzers crossing the bridge when you blow it...right puddin?

[Smokaz]

More maps should have bridges or map position that can be rushed for a epic advantage. It forces people to play for the map from the moment they spawn. This adds complexity to the game.  As long as its not 1 bridge directly stopping you from going anywhere than a river facing giant grenade/flamer immune chateaus ;P

If you are worried about traps, mines, goliaths etc: L2BuyMinesweeper. With all PE inf detecting, ami/wehr having infantry that can field minesweeper AND build field emplacements, brits having recons, it should be zero problem. A lot of people complain about the lack of realism but you dont see the majority of players sending in recons/minesweepers along with a spotter in most games. They just barge in.

I dont see how the bridges are critical on vengance anyways. There are vehicles in the game able to cross water efficently and mortar smoke allow you to cross difficult terrain without getting supressed or having weapon fire reliably hit you.

[Draken]

Can you people make maps so that there are many sectors on spawn, and less on the middle?

It would make easier to just fight instead of thinking about backcaping, and in later game you will still loose pop.

[Smokaz]

Can you people make maps so that there are many sectors on spawn, and less on the middle?

It would make easier to just fight instead of thinking about backcaping, and in later game you will still loose pop.

Actually the perfect mix would be a lot of big sectors outside the spawn, and then across the middle of the Map a lot of small sectors so that defenders in middle had to spread out their units more to hold all the small sectors, forcing them to group and disperse based on what the attacking side is trying to do.

Unless the SIZE of the sector doesnt count for anything, only the number of sectors you hold?

[AmPM]

Its only the number of sectors held that matter.

[davidf78]

the file has been updated by request. there are no more river to cross which means no more i got negative protection + speed penalty crying  , joking...
this should make the map more fluid but less perty. i couldent figure how to test it to see if everything runs as it should so i take no responsability for an epic fail. 
http://www.filefront.com/15276451/4P_Vengeance_dry.sga

[bbsmith]

Can we have some screenshots?

[davidf78]

you can find a creen shot here http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=13111.0

[davidf78]

has anyone had a chance to play it without the rivers? i did and like i tipically do in this map i got my ass handed to me. it a curse that i always get owned in my own creations 

[Tymathee]

Can you people make maps so that there are many sectors on spawn, and less on the middle?

It would make easier to just fight instead of thinking about backcaping, and in later game you will still loose pop.

Actually the perfect mix would be a lot of big sectors outside the spawn, and then across the middle of the Map a lot of small sectors so that defenders in middle had to spread out their units more to hold all the small sectors, forcing them to group and disperse based on what the attacking side is trying to do.

Unless the SIZE of the sector doesnt count for anything, only the number of sectors you hold?

Yes, i'd think of all people you'd know that Smokaz. It's the number of sectors, which is why certain maps can be held half and half but one side is still "winning" because it's the number of sectors held. This is wshy france needs to be fixed, there's one extra unneeded sector that could be molded into another one that makes the top part of the map better for a defensive style.

[AmPM]

Should add some pooled water to the rivers, right now it makes it rather featureless and dull.

[LeoPhone]

so... the current verison of vengeance in EiR is the one without rivers? the one with rivers is gone?