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[Skewldya]

That was about the most bitch move ever...so what if you fight a man down, if you dont want to lose your shit, retreat off the field and take a single game loss...its not my fault you kept dropping Airborne into the game.  To alt F4 and cause the game to desync because you lost too much Vet? Boo fucking hoo, grow a pair.

And I know you did it on purpose because you stayed on Vent.  I said long ago I wouldnt abandon any longer after the 5 min mark...that was the rule FL stated and that is the rule the community should enforce.  Im sick of this shit.

Leaf your better than that...

Copied from FLs OFFICIAL POLICY THREAD.

* Any games with players dropping after 5 minutes of actual game time (timer will be added back in to show you how far along you are) are to be continued.  In the rare event that ALL PLAYERS on both sides  unanimously agree to restart the game, the game may be restarted.  However, restarting or abandoning a game where one or more players drop is to be an exception, not a rule.

[Unkn0wn]

You know better than to post this stuff in public.
This isn't a 17th century witchhunt.

[Leafy]

I have to say I really am disgusted by the lack of sportsmanship I had to witness here. Firstly, the game had been a 2v2, then you guys demanded we make it a 3v3 and of course added some unknown to our team. This guy drops out within seconds after the five minute mark (When I checked the time it was 5:20 but he dropped before that) and you guys of course are bitches about it and refuse to abandon, saying that because we had whipped you guys up to that point that it was a fair game. Now, It really pisses me off when a team throws out everything they have in the first 5 minutes and if it doesn't go well, drop. I haven't had to deal with that in a long time, probably mostly because those that did it don't get games anymore. For all I know you probably asked the guy to do that to get the free win you wanted so bad.

I'm glad I played it out as far as I did though. I got a real laugh out of seeing 2 squads of KCH gibbed by a satchel. To be honest, My company gained quite a bit of vet that game, the only squad that died was the initial drop on top of an ostwind, and really that squad was barely vet 2. Now, getting a loss does bugger me just a bit but I can take that. However, the sportsmanship on the part of the axis team was so bad I don't like seeing you guys get a win out of that, and the vet I killed wasn't really enough to compensate for that.

By the way, if someone's computer crashes/internet goes down they stay in vent for a minute or two, retard. So really, how about I play a game sometimes where I ask a friend of mine to go on your team and then quit out at 5 minutes? Hell, how about I just do it myself under a smurf? Would be really funny, wouldn't it? Or maybe just pull a Bonte and TK all your stuff. Is that really what we want EiR to degrade into?

I'm not saying that's what you did. What I'm saying is that there are plenty of circumstances under which games should be abandoned over 5 minutes, and it takes a bit of common sense and perhaps even empathy to decide when that is. I once played a game of Hochwald Gap as Axis and we were defending. I knew it would be all over if we managed to push them to the bridges and as it turns out you can set up defenses there from the very start. We slaughtered them. the footbridge had a goliath of mine sitting on it and the main bridge was covered by about 4 MG's, an 88, and a ton of infantry and tanks. There was no hope of allies getting through, even though 3 were Ab and 1 was infantry. Even though they could drop behind the bridges, it just mean they lost all their squads retreating through MG's. The game wasn't fair. They had no chance to win from the start. Allies were all complaining about an unfair game (of course) and Axis all knew it was, but didn't want to abandon because (obviously) they all gained an obscene amount of vet. I abandoned the game. All the allies were very grateful and none of the Axis complained because they knew that it was really the right decision. That is an extreme case of when the game needs abandoning but all players should really not hesitate to abandon if they know the game was unfair. The opponents will be grateful and odds are if it was unfair your allies won't complain. There will always be more chances to get vet and wins, but there isn't usually a chance to go back and right wrongs in this case. As for the game on Hochwald, I remember 2 guys who can confirm it, one is Haroquen (who I remember because he suggested the map), and the other is Mountainman (who I remember because he was very gracious after the game), but I'll bet there are more around who rememeber that game.

I apologize to the community for this unsightly block of text. I hope it wasn't too filled with spelling/grammatical errors, cause I'm writing this at 5 AM where I live (I couldn't sleep after such an ill spirited game, so I got back up and wrote this)

And just as a last note, I thought I'd throw this in.

Do not post names in regard to complaints about forum members or admins whether its regarding any type of 'abuse' or 'in-game complaint'.

If you have an issue, message me or another admin/developer directly.

As far as I know, everyone here is human and will make mistakes from time to time.  Just because they make a mistake does not give you permission to slander them all over the forums.

Any posts found to violate this policy will be removed.  You have been warned.

[Thtb]

BURN HIM!

[Rahxis]

wowwww they write to much .. im blind aargh!

[Clock3]

drophack ftw!

[Skewldya]

Unknown... whatever.


Leaf...you only  killed 1.5 of the KCH squads...but it was a nice satchel.  And NONE of us got Vet because of your *timely* drop.

I posted long ago, that I was no logner going to abandon games after the 5 min mark, players are assuming that because they have to play a man down its a auto abandon.  Nope sorry, retreat your shit off if you dont want to lose Vet, otherwise man up, play as well as you can and take the win/loss however it ends up.

This community is going to hell in a hand basket quite rapidly because of the players that still play it either wont play in a game they think they cant win, or if someone drops they whine and complain the other team is unsportsman like because they wont abandon...grow some balls and stop acting like a baby.

[Warbirds]

Did you even read Leaf's post?

[Apex]

In my oppinion everybody behaved wrong here. Refusing to abandon after 5:20 when a player drops is just as stupid as drop hacking at the end of the game.

And Unknown, stuff like this has to be allowed to be post in public, to settle it and to get to know players oppinions. Not allowing to talk about it doesn't help anyone.

[Carenthos]

It does allow the accused to defend themselves more easily than through a bunch of pms via an admin.

[Tym]

yeesh...

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

Apex: This issue does not concern anyone except the parties involved and mods, which is why I cringe at these posts. Just take it up in PMs and mods. I don't care about what happened in your games.

[Apex]

I disagree. If players behave wrong then it's okay to inform other players about that.

If I know that someone refuses to abandon games even after a lagout at the 5.20 mark, then I will think twice about joining a game with him where I know I have an unrealiable connection to my teammate. Or when I know that someone desyncs on purpose then I will think twice about joining a game with him at all.

And when doing wrong gets publicly displayed like this, players will think twice about doing wrong. That's the most important part.

[Lolto]

Sweet tears still fill the air in this daft place.

[Unkn0wn]

I disagree. If players behave wrong then it's okay to inform other players about that

To me it seems like draygon is being whiny because he didn't get a win he didn't deserve in the first place.
Draygon's team is showing some bad sportsmanship, the 5 minute abandon rule is just a guideline, it should not be an excuse not to show sportsmanship. Taking it literally like that is just sad. Someone drops at 5:20 and you refuse to abandon, that's just incredibly lame and most people will agree here.

Using this 'rule' to justify poor, unsportsman behaviour  .

You're also being a hypocrite by referring to the abandon rule while at the same time breaking a rule about not posting about issues between players.


I agree with bodybag, there's a reason why this stuff is not to be posted. Players don't need to be informed, the mods/admins will take action if the problem persists. Posting this just leads to a bad atmosphere and a potential flamewar as it's very unlikely both parties will come to an 'agreement'.

If I know that someone refuses to abandon games even after a lagout at the 5.20 mark, then I will think twice about joining a game with him where I know I have an unrealiable connection to my teammate. Or when I know that someone desyncs on purpose then I will think twice about joining a game with him at all.

Except Leaf here is not the player refusing to abandon, Draygon's team is.
You're making it seem like Draygon's post was right. :p

Anyway, I hardly see an issue here. At 5:20 no one deserves a win/loss when a teammate quits, taking a guideline literally like that is just sad. In addition, you're also punishing the entire team for playing with an 'unknown' person, giving them another reason NEVER to play with people they don't know. That's not exactly ideal if we want this community to grow. But I guess you never thought further than your own little victory.

Imagine yourself in the same position, I bet you'd appreciate it a lot when someone doesn't go all uptight on the 5 minute rule and shows some sportsmanship.

[Days of War]

I would've dropped too. Not Alt-F4, but normally quitting and Alt-F4 have the same effect. Anyway, I would've left if they wouldn't have abandoned. That's just ridiculous.  And I'm pretty sure the desync only occurs of the host leaves. Was Leaf the host?

[Apex]

Unknown, you are right, but even that does not justify drophacking. Again, both players did wrong here.

[DasNoob]

Being here over a year and playing a lot of games... i'd have to back leaf on this one.  Poor from to the other team.  Why would you want that hollow victory anyway? 

Unless that 3rd person drops well into the match, I've always remade.

[DrakenTLS]

Leafage stop talking about easy wins, so many times u avoided game with me. And i remeber one game when u loosed p4 after 8 mins of game and u wanted to abandon. And another game when u were loosing it was 30-40 mins u loosed so many vet 3 so u refused to force after desync. If more people will have mentality like u EiR will die.

[Leafy]

Apex, I'm sad to hear you feel that way. When two actions are taken opposed at another person, I'm inclined to think that if the second's effects only go so far as to undo the first, it isn't really a wrong. Also, A drophack is an attempt to gain a win out of a game by causing connection/stability issues.

Days, I'm fairly certain I was host.

Anyway, I think the only reason this is an issue is because Draygon has been playing awhile and has some friends here. I'm sure he'd be the first guy to hit abandon if the same thing happened to him. When someone realizes they are going to get stomped I'm sure they are glad to not have to take the loss, but demanding the victory is out of line. If he was a noob here people would not be defending him here. Trust me, I've tried smurfing and some of the treatment from prominent community members was appauling, but that's not the main issue here (try to be nice to noobs, eh guys?). I guess nobody likes to lose when they are expecting a free win. A public announcement, however, that one is going to be an asshole does not justify being an asshole. Especially when not everyone in the entire world that ever or will exist hears it, and you expect those that don't to permit that behavior.

By the way everyone, when I play games with you I might
1 Vet hunt
2 Spam unconventional units to make frustrating games even if it doesn't help my team win
3 Try to justify what I do with extremely lame excuses
4 Eh, I'm already running out of ideas
5 Oh! Say BRB and go AFK for 15-20 minutes before a game, then not have the right profile and say  that too much has been wasted and I need to go
 
So everyone is totally cool with me doing that now, right? Now that I've publicly said it? Even you guys that don't read/hear this?

I thought so. Anyway guys, when I first joined EiR I was really pleasantly shocked at the abandon feature. I really liked it because it allowed for an element of human understanding that vCoH does not. I know it won't be perfect and that is why people atleast need to talk about this on Vent, if not forums, because it does have an affect on community trust. That way you can minimize the damage that abusive players have on the community. Seriously, Do I now want to play with some guy that has no mic, isn't on vent, and is demanded to be tacked on to my team by the opposition at the last minute. I might, but not if it's Draygon though.