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[Unkn0wn]

Yet we're still the world leader. And the society that was covited the most.

We have empathy, we have social-welfare. But there is a line to be drawn. And in American, that line is below the pathetic European nations.

We protect you and you critize with your snobby noses up.

World leader in what? Patriotism?
It sure isn't:
- economy
- politics
- popularity

The U.S is only the world's leading military at the moment, with 50% (!!!) of the world's military budget being spent in the U.S. The EU has economically surpassed the U.S, they don't even calculate oil barrels in dollars everywhere anymore. The dollar has been incredibly weak, even the canadian dollar is going to catch up at this rate :p.
Yes, the U.S economy still influences economies worldwide, but with the U.S economy going to shit, governments all across the globe are intervening preventing their countries from following, and most are doing quite succesfully in stabilising the issue. It's only the U.S economy that will be going to hell this time, other countries are getting increasingly independant and will only continue doing so.

I'd also like to point out the U.S's huge dependancy on foreign oil and chinese funds at this point.


Political wise the U.S has lost a lot of it's power. Russia and China are no longer impressed, even the EU no longer wants to vote with Mr Bush 95% of the time. This is unlikely to change again unless the U.S starts sailing a completely different course on international affairs, which I think is unlikely, especially with McCain in office and both presidential candidates taking a hard stance on Iran and other nations.

You keep believing the U.S is the world's superpower, it is no longer. Those days are over, you missed the train. Next stop, multipolar world, I'd even say we're already in a multipolar world to some extent, or in the initial phase of that world.

We protect you and you critize with your snobby noses up.

Again, cold war happened 20 years ago, as I recall, this is the last time you protected and had to protect Europe from anything.

Also, no need to get dirty. Do you see me dissing the U.S as a nation or ultimately the american people, no. I'm dissing your government if anything, feel free to diss mine bu I don't think many americans know about the european system anyway.

I understand you others can't understand that, that is why I feel that you should concern yourselves less with My country and worried about whatever minimal problems your Eutopia has

I'm sorry but being an international political science student and living in a microscopic country, I really don't care too much about my own country's politics as much as I do about the world's politics. The U.S is still a major player there, it's just not the superpower it once was. You fail to realise how important these elections are for the rest of the world, the elections for a very military-orientated country with the ambition to stir up a lot more shit the next 4 years.

What happens in Russia, China and later on even India, the Middle East and some S. American states is just as interesting. I think it's my business, just as much as it's your business to know what's going on in the world if you want to know.

The U.S is a military superpower, that's all that's left. And bad things generally happen when this military power falls in the wrong hands in times like these, which is why these elections may just have an immense impact on the rest of the world. Because of the military aspect.

[Nevyen]

Im in Tampa Fl, DoubleMajor in Accounting and Real Estate at Florida State University, and am in the process of earing a dual Law and MBA degree from Stetson Law in St. Pete, Fl. I know a little something bout our state.

Both parties are curupt, the government learned from Katrina, the learned the wrong way. The pump massive amounts of money, rescue people they claimed they were not going to rescue and have massive evacuations for any moderate threat.

It all furthers my point, that in America, (at least as that is what I've studied) more Government doesn't work. Its not the American Way. I understand you others can't understand that, that is why I feel that you should concern yourselves less with My country and worried about whatever minimal problems your Eutopia has

Im a Buisness Analyst with Commonwealth Bank of Australia, have a Bachelors Degree in Commerce and Buisness Law as well as an MBA from Monash University. So what?  

The main issue is this, the united states of american weather through design or not holds the point of control in allot of issues that affect us in our "eutopia". You don't think the fall out from the credit crunch in your country is not hurting the rest of us? The fact that US governemnt had to bail out two of its largest lenders and then failed to bail out a third is of a major concern to us.

You have an accounting degree thus you will understand the impact this has, and has allot to do with what the US governemnt does or does not as much as the Fed does.  So with that in mind the entire world has valid stake in seeing your country succeed, or at the bare minimum not screw things up so badly that buy mere assocaition we all get dragged down with it.

The consequence of failure in the US economy is of grave concern to every person in the world.

That much is clear.

And as such who leads that country is as much a cocern to "outsiders" (though in the current global economy who is really "outside" anymore) as it is to you. Its unfortunate we don't get to vote! while US citerzens have one of the worst voter participation rates in the free world.

With respect

nevyen

[Champion]

Unknown,
I see many of your views. However, there are 3 powers: Russia, China, US (including Isreal, Japan, Britan(maybe)) and 4 EU depending on there military cooperations with each other.

I belive it is multi-polar, but there is a wild card Islomic Terrorist who I feel are tring to prevoke a 3rd WW.

America got hit hard, EU has been hit. We can't stand for that, sorry that American.

We just put a missle defense system in Poland.

Russia is showning more signs of Aggression and Resource acquistion.

China has the manpower and the money, and no individual rights.

Your going to need us again.

[Champion]

That was in responce to a question of what State we lived in

[Champion]

Nevyen,

I understand your sintement, however there are enormus domestic implications on the line.

"Outsiders" (tryin to be p.c.) typically don't understand how things work here.

Obama is not going to be an less "militaristic", he is going to divert force to Afganistan (a 3rd world waste of time of American tax payer money) and Pakistan.

We can't leave Iraq, until its right. You can see that. The Iraquis can't do it themselves yet.

While It may be the wrong decision to invade Iraq in the long run, it was a risk that was taken to remove a major thorn (17 resulotions such) in the side of the "West" while wrapping it up to the American people as War on Terror. I understand why, as there was never seen fear in the people here.

It may have failed, its to early still although the "investment" is starting to get out of the red.

However, had it worked, everyone would have been better for it.

[Wraith547]

while US citerzens have one of the worst voter participation rates in the free world.

I have a feeling you will see a good turn-out this November. I am the prime example of an apathetic voter, but even I have every intention of voting this year.

I don't agree with many of Obama's policies, but McCain/Palin frightens me. Their energy and economic policies are so backwards it terrifies me. Yet people will still vote for them, primarily because many Americans are fucking retarded. Honestly as sad as it is I feel like if Obama loses its primarily because America is still to racist for a black president.

I am convinced they only picked Palin because she can go after Obama and if anyone criticizes her for it will be called sexist.

I fail to see how anyone can look me in the face and say that they thinks its acceptable that this country is one 70+ year old man away from having SARAH FUCKING PALIN as president. The same one that has no idea what she is doing/ THINKS WE SHOULD GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA OVER GEORGIA *Facepalm*

[Wildfire]

Meh...I think all Politicians are practically idiots, which is why I'm voting Obama cuz he's a newcomer and hasn't been corrupted yet, heck we may have a chance...

and as for Palin, I agree, she's just an attack dog and the media loves her cuz she looks good. I mean seriously, who in their right mind picks her?

I guess they feel it worked with Cheney, he went after Gore and Kerry big time so they're just following their party motto "we won't bring you much but we'll make you hate the other guy."

or better yet

"I'm going to make you so nervous about the other guy you'd have to vote for me."

Im so frustrated that americans actually think that somehow we would be worse off with obama than with Mccain? Hell, McCain is the guy who lost to Bush in 2000 for god sakes, I mean come on, if they guy can't be Bush in the primary, how the hell can he be president? But, Obama beat Hillary for godsakes, and everyone thought she was a lock for the presidency not just the nomination...i guess people still have their stupid stereotypes..., they feel like he's just a good lookin', slick talkin' blackman who brings nothing but words...and McCain is any different?

Tell me somethin....wht's with the republicans and war and scandal.

Regean - war and scandal
Bush I - war and scandal
Bush II - war and scandal

and yet, there are still 45% of the country who want another one...someone who might not even make it to his first day of office lol sheesh...Inexperience....please, why do people think you need someone who "knows washington" in the white house, hell...i dont want someone who's been there a long time cuz he/she's prolly been corrupted and has people that he/she has to "pay back" like Bushy...

but anyway.

[DBSights2]

McCain is very intelligent and a war hero to boot.  IDK about you, but Obama is a bit too gimmicky for my likes.

[CommanderNewbie]

Regean - war and scandal
Bush I - war and scandal
Bush II - war and scandal

You can add Clinton between the Bushes, and Carter before Reagan.  It seems we've got a trend going for every President in recent history?  One might think that it goes even further back, perhaps... war and scandal is nothing new.

IDK about you, but Obama is a bit too gimmicky for my likes.

Agreed.

[salan]

IDK about you, but Obama is a bit too gimmicky for my likes.

Agreed.

he does have a cute running mate.. they're trying to get the women to vote for them and the young males

[CommanderNewbie]

he does have a cute running mate.. they're trying to get the women to vote for them and the young males

No doubt.  Regardless of my personal opinions, this is shaping up to be a far more dynamic election than I had anticipated.

Also, lol @ people who imply that not supporting Obama makes you a racist.

[AmpmX]

Well, its a point of view that the Obama fanbois want to keep going. It makes people feel bad for not voting for him.

[GoOutside]

and theres a problem with that choosing a president should not involve race or sex. It needs to be purely based off of their policies. When we vote for a president it shouldn't be cause this one looks better or this one's much more well spoken. It should be on how they plan on serving their terms. Unfortunately, things are hardly like this. American Idol FTL!!!

Also, alot of the politicians say one thing and do the other. Campaing contributions, lobbyists, personally i think this whole system is getting a little out of hand.

[Wildfire]

Im not an Obama fan-boy. I was actually a big McCain supporter even before he got big and was Happy he got the nomination but Obama got to me, he's a good candidate. I'm not influenced by all the glitz and glamour, I never was. It's impressive but the fact is, I've read his book and I've listened to his speeches and I know where the man is coming from and I see that the way he approaches problems and situations is something that this country needs after 8 years of Bush, not another republican who's going to follow the party motto.

The reason I bash McCain is because he totally went away from who he was so he could be more "republican" and he's lost his balls basically. He does what they want. He's more moderate than republican but since he's got the nomination he's been more republican so meh.

I just know where Obama comes from and I don't know where McCain comes from cuz he keeps changing. Obama's been the same for years, he's the same man in his book and the same man from the democratic national convention speech he gave in 2004, it's hard to say that about a lot of Presidential candidates.

[Unkn0wn]

You can add Clinton between the Bushes

You kidding me? I'd say Clinton was one of the better presidents the US has had in the last 50 years.
I mean, think about it, people were more worried about his potential relations with a woman working for him than with the economy/military/etc... surely this must've been good times if they had time to give a shit about that :p.

[Thtb]

McCain, the oh so powerfull, strong controling Political Mastermind - has serious proplemes keeping his daugther under controle after all.

[CommanderNewbie]

You can add Clinton between the Bushes

You kidding me? I'd say Clinton was one of the better presidents the US has had in the last 50 years.
I mean, think about it, people were more worried about his potential relations with a woman working for him than with the economy/military/etc... surely this must've been good times if they had time to give a shit about that :p.

I'm just saying that there was war and scandal during his administration, that it's nothing new as well

McCain, the oh so powerfull, strong controling Political Mastermind - has serious proplemes keeping his daugther under controle after all.

I take it you've never had a daughter 

[Waffen 17th.SS]

dont need to watch that crap to give my opinion on that shithole of an idea, excuse me i'm referring to "operation iraqi freedom" for those who didnt know what i was talking about. It's illegally in the same sense that rape is against ones will in constant to sex. We're just raping btw.