eliw00d's Balance Proposal #1

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[eliw00d]

its all to do with the meta game, and not having everything accessable to everyone ... arguing that the stuka should not be doctrine specific because it was not in vanilla COH would be the same as arguing that the tiger should be open to everyone even though it was doctrine specific in vanilla.

its that way for a reason (and its not based on vanilla as the game is essentially a rewrite from what vanilla is) which includes balance of doctrines and units on both sides.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Yes, this is not vCoH. Yes, the Tiger is doctrine-specific. However, nobody is asking for the Tiger to be made a core unit. My argument is completely valid: why should the Axis lose important core units when the Allies lose none? Again, this is not vCoH, but aside from the Stuka and Officer, it is entirely BASED off of vCoH. Tigers being unlocked by the Blitzkrieg doctrine. Hmm. Pershings by the Armour doctrine. Hmm again. Pattern, perhaps?

Making core units core units again will not upset balance, ESPECIALLY if said units only get a bonus if you play defensive. Their cost is relatively high as to prevent entire companies devoted to them, and their overall effect in wars might not even be much - BUT! ... having that option is the reason behind this. The Stuka is a very important piece of artillery for Axis players, both in vCoH and EiR. It bridges the gap between Nebels and Allied artillery.

By your logic, we should make the Crocodile Sherman a doctrine-specific unit.

[DasNoob]

It isn't going to happen.  Deal with it? 

[UnLimiTeD6]

way to argue.
I think thats a great idea, crocs only for Armor!

[Doce]

Flaks and Howies are both t1 in EIR but t3 in vanilla. Fix plz!

[DasNoob]

Flaks and Howies are both t1 in EIR but t3 in vanilla. Fix plz!

 

[Tymathee]

well, i dont really have a problem with stukas being doctrien specific, especially considering, thinka bout how awesome they'd be if say, there was a tiger and a stuka on the field, or if heavy support on terror could use a stuka. Leave it as is.

[Flack]

Heavy support only affects HMGs, Mortars, Snipers and ATGs. It does jack shit to the nebelwerfer, why should it do anything to the stuka?

[Tymathee]

Heavy support only affects HMGs, Mortars, Snipers and ATGs. It does jack shit to the nebelwerfer, why should it do anything to the stuka?

i didn't say it did, but you combine the two dude. Heavy Mortars and stuka's? total arty rape.

[Unkn0wn]

Axis mortars are awesome without heavy support already. (Range buff doesn't work on them currently btw)

[Flack]

Axis mortars are awesome without heavy support already. (Range buff doesn't work on them currently btw)

Well that's totally gay, seeing how that's my T4.

[Unkn0wn]

It's still an amazing T4 though.

[Flack]

Depends, for the Sniper, HMG and the Mortar it is godlike. But for the ATG, notsomuch. I don't need 50% more health on my ATG, it just get circled by allied armour anyway.

[Unkn0wn]

The extra range on the pak is awesome...

[UnLimiTeD2]

Range works on Mortars, just not the Barrage.
You really need to scout.
Think of it, the extra damage is fair enough on mortars.

[Flack]

Range works on Mortars, just not the Barrage.
You really need to scout.
Think of it, the extra damage is fair enough on mortars.

Extra damage, where do you get that from? It affects: Health, range of fire and line of sight.

[stumpster]

Range works on Mortars, just not the Barrage.
You really need to scout.
Think of it, the extra damage is fair enough on mortars.

Extra damage, where do you get that from? It affects: Health, range of fire and line of sight.

He was including the T3 right before which gives +20% damage/suppression to HMG's and Mortars.

[eliw00d]

Please keep things on topic, guys. We are talking about Stukas and Officers becoming core units.

[NightRain]

I don't know about Officer being the core unit. It really works more in the Infantrie Company other than in Blitzkrieg or in Terror so I'd rather have Officer stick as a Doctorine spesific Unit. After all it belongs to section Officer Training.

Stuka zu Fuss however...I want that mobile little thingy that fires 6 big cans of boiled vodka ontop of Allied infantry and buildings (it burns too! =D)

Blitzkrieg the only unit without valid long range artillery besides the Mistshooter that might be lucky enough to one shot a squad in a building if it gets range, nah no. As Schultz have said in one thread.

When playing vs Good players Mistshooter's use drops from 1 to 0 and I have to agree with it. No matter what fortress you have in front of it always something comes to kill it and if that killer fails in it. Well there is always some sort of arty. Each allied Doctorine grants a beautiful offmap or on-map arty. Airborne gets bombing runs and strafing runs, Armor gets Calliope and then infantry gets offmap howy shots and on-map howy shots. Each of those makes tiny 6 barreled 150mm Holiday Fireworks utterly useless...

With Stuka you have a chance as a blitzkrieg player to clean up buildings and static positions allies likes to build around. Hell it as well sorts the incoming ranger spams too =D its not a I WIN BUTTON! As someone clearly mentionated earlier it is just a "Help me" button for every player.
How in hell will an Axis Player with Blitzkrieg ability only go through 2 Tank Reapers AT guns protected by 2 or more MGs and a mortar and a rifleman squad with stickies? I don't know really any other option except "Circle the defence" when it is usually widely spread. And by this time. I think most infantry players already have Tank Reapers and most people have their Tier Fours...

[gamesguy]

I don't know about Officer being the core unit. It really works more in the Infantrie Company other than in Blitzkrieg or in Terror so I'd rather have Officer stick as a Doctorine spesific Unit. After all it belongs to section Officer Training.

Stuka zu Fuss however...I want that mobile little thingy that fires 6 big cans of boiled vodka ontop of Allied infantry and buildings (it burns too! =D)

Stukas dont burn, the fire animation does no damage.  Only nebels, firestorms, incendiary nade, and incendiary shell from the mortar HT burn.

[Smithy17]

And exploding flamethrowers.