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[Skaevola]

If you feel the marder is really that bad, may I recommend AT HTS? Theres nothing more fun then treadbreaking a sherman in the no man's zone, and then mortaring it, tying up their pop in a useless tank, while killing all of their engineers.

[MannfredvonRitter]

If you feel the marder is really that bad, may I recommend AT HTS? Theres nothing more fun then treadbreaking a sherman in the no man's zone, and then mortaring it, tying up their pop in a useless tank, while killing all of their engineers.

The ATHT almost always engine damages only now.

[31stPzGren]

If you feel the marder is really that bad, may I recommend AT HTS? Theres nothing more fun then treadbreaking a sherman in the no man's zone, and then mortaring it, tying up their pop in a useless tank, while killing all of their engineers.

Go play more games with your PE against credible opponents. From the looks of all your arguments, your opponents seem to be half-wits.

The basics of an argument is to verify your facts. Throwing point after point of blatantly false assumptions without amends when called out is just immature.

[scrapking]

unfortunately they have 4 shermans, you have 3 marders. They also have 3 ATG's.

If that is the engagement, I think I know why you are losing then.

[MannfredvonRitter]

unfortunately they have 4 shermans, you have 3 marders. They also have 3 ATG's.

If that is the engagement, I think I know why you are losing then.

I didn't say I have 3 Marders on field, i said I have 3 Marders in total. Marders are capped at 3,  however, Shermans are capped at 4. ATG's I believe at 3. Shermans are dual capability, ATG's are specialised, but double as effective as Marders (same range, harder to kill).

With the removal of pak sniping ATG's are now drastically more powerful. And for only 4 pop much easier to support, all you need is a sticky rifleman, and he can still fight/cap.

[Skaevola]

If you feel the marder is really that bad, may I recommend AT HTS? Theres nothing more fun then treadbreaking a sherman in the no man's zone, and then mortaring it, tying up their pop in a useless tank, while killing all of their engineers.

Go play more games with your PE against credible opponents. From the looks of all your arguments, your opponents seem to be half-wits.

The basics of an argument is to verify your facts. Throwing point after point of blatantly false assumptions without amends when called out is just immature.

Anyone care to tell me when these changes were made? Last weekend virtually every shot from my AT HT resulted in engine destroyed or tread broken, and Marders served me just fine.

[MannfredvonRitter]

If you feel the marder is really that bad, may I recommend AT HTS? Theres nothing more fun then treadbreaking a sherman in the no man's zone, and then mortaring it, tying up their pop in a useless tank, while killing all of their engineers.

Go play more games with your PE against credible opponents. From the looks of all your arguments, your opponents seem to be half-wits.

The basics of an argument is to verify your facts. Throwing point after point of blatantly false assumptions without amends when called out is just immature.

Anyone care to tell me when these changes were made? Last weekend virtually every shot from my AT HT resulted in engine destroyed or tread broken, and Marders served me just fine.

In the last few days, PE blow now. ATHT gave them a good chance in tank warfare, without the immobilize they suck hardcore. Basically a bunch of shit allied players whined about treadbreaker and as a result they nerfed it.

[scrapking]

Honestly I don't think there is a problem with PE per se, other than that they generally don't do terribly well without a wehrmacht player there, but then neither do British do well without an American player there.

If this speaks something about the balance situation, well its a work in progress.  It would be ideal for any 2 factions against any 2 factions to perform equally, but the truth is that there is strength in synergy rather than redundancy.

I've done very well with my PE battalion, much better than my American, and far better than British - although admittedly I don't really know how to play British very well.  But I also thought I didn't know how to play PE very well either.  I think they have fine AT, you just need to lean on the AT Grens for support, and it requires a more cautious approach to armored combat than Wehrmacht can  get away with.

[MannfredvonRitter]

Honestly I don't think there is a problem with PE per se, other than that they generally don't do terribly well without a wehrmacht player there, but then neither do British do well without an American player there.

If this speaks something about the balance situation, well its a work in progress.  It would be ideal for any 2 factions against any 2 factions to perform equally, but the truth is that there is strength in synergy rather than redundancy.

I've done very well with my PE battalion, much better than my American, and far better than British - although admittedly I don't really know how to play British very well.  But I also thought I didn't know how to play PE very well either.  I think they have fine AT, you just need to lean on the AT Grens for support, and it requires a more cautious approach to armored combat than Wehrmacht can  get away with.

lolk

[scrapking]

unfortunately they have 4 shermans, you have 3 marders. They also have 3 ATG's.

If that is the engagement, I think I know why you are losing then.

I didn't say I have 3 Marders on field, i said I have 3 Marders in total.

And up to 8 AT Grens.  And  a Panther.  And an ATHT which reliably produces damaged engines - still making it easier for AT grens to kill something, and harder for that target to circle kite your Marder.  I do agree that the ability is overpriced after it was nerfed though.

ATGs are certainly harder to kill with a tank, or another ATG, but much easier to kill with infantry or indirect fire.  Or snipers.

Anyway, its not really a fair comparison since they are different factions with entirely different units.

[scrapking]

Dude, go change your panties, they are wet.  All you are doing is whining, bitching and moaning about how bad you have it, and insulting anyone who disagrees with you.

Show me more math about unit X vs. unit Y, it has had so much bearing on the fact that I've seen PE easily win about 75% of the matches I've been involved in - probably about 25 games now.

Go back to playing Wehrmacht if you feel that way.  I know plenty of people, including myself, who are doing quite well with PE.  So obviously if you aren't, something must be wrong with the faction.

"lolk"?

[MannfredvonRitter]

Dude, go change your panties, they are wet.  All you are doing is whining, bitching and moaning about how bad you have it, and insulting anyone who disagrees with you.

Show me more math about unit X vs. unit Y, it has had so much bearing on the fact that I've seen PE easily win about 75% of the matches I've been involved in - probably about 25 games now.

Go back to playing Wehrmacht if you feel that way.  I know plenty of people, including myself, who are doing quite well with PE.  So obviously if you aren't, something must be wrong with the faction.

"lolk"?

Insulting people who have no idea and whom make assertions without basis "LOL GUYZ PE HAVE IT EASY THEY RAPE ALL LOL"

See, that's not a valid argument. A valid argument would include a few statements, followed by proof. Perhaps you would throw some maths in as to why you are right and I'm wrong. You did neither. You deserve to be insulted.

[gamesguy3]

Honestly I don't think there is a problem with PE per se, other than that they generally don't do terribly well without a wehrmacht player there, but then neither do British do well without an American player there.

If this speaks something about the balance situation, well its a work in progress.  It would be ideal for any 2 factions against any 2 factions to perform equally, but the truth is that there is strength in synergy rather than redundancy.

I've done very well with my PE battalion, much better than my American, and far better than British - although admittedly I don't really know how to play British very well.  But I also thought I didn't know how to play PE very well either.  I think they have fine AT, you just need to lean on the AT Grens for support, and it requires a more cautious approach to armored combat than Wehrmacht can  get away with.

lolk

I'm still waiting for you to play something other than PE.  Despite how many times you say it, I never ever see you play brits, ever.

[MannfredvonRitter]

I can't, all I can do is blob units and attack move, I need to l2p. I'm crap.

My favourite tactic is marder rush, I buy 10 and attack move ure base lol.

By claiming that I'm a highly effective Marder user and a PE rapist of all I can claim superiority over the world when people at school beat me up all the time. It makes me feel better about myself.

Because I can't make intelligent and accurate arguments which support my point or even comparisons between units, I just call in to question the ability of the user constantly. Then I stack games and say I'm good.

[gamesguy3]

Because I can't make intelligent and accurate arguments which support my point or even comparisons between units

Oh yes, your math that ignores the marder lock down in a completely unrealistic scenario where the sherman sits at long range in a frontal duel with a marder and the PE player is too dumb to lock down.

An accurate portrayal of the game for sure!

I just call in to question the ability of the user constantly. Then I stack games and say I'm good.

Yep.  In my eyes you are extremely PE biased.  You were complaining about PE being underpowered before EIRR was even released!

I don't know a single good player who plays both sides equally and say with a straight face that PE is underpowered.   All I see is a bunch of whining from players that only play one faction or side exclusively.

[MannfredvonRitter]

Because I can't make intelligent and accurate arguments which support my point or even comparisons between units

Oh yes, your math that ignores the marder lock down in a completely unrealistic scenario where the sherman sits at long range in a frontal duel with a marder and the PE player is too dumb to lock down.

An accurate portrayal of the game for sure!

I just call in to question the ability of the user constantly. Then I stack games and say I'm good.

Yep.  In my eyes you are extremely PE biased.  You were complaining about PE being underpowered before EIRR was even released!

I don't know a single good player who plays both sides equally and say with a straight face that PE is underpowered.   All I see is a bunch of whining from players that only play one faction or side exclusively.

You also didn't read me saying that British are UP and Wehr are OP? But that's right, I'm biast.

Go stack more fag. I never have seen you play PE without your trusty old Wehr ally, not once.

[scrapking]

Dude, go change your panties, they are wet.  All you are doing is whining, bitching and moaning about how bad you have it, and insulting anyone who disagrees with you.

Show me more math about unit X vs. unit Y, it has had so much bearing on the fact that I've seen PE easily win about 75% of the matches I've been involved in - probably about 25 games now.

Go back to playing Wehrmacht if you feel that way.  I know plenty of people, including myself, who are doing quite well with PE.  So obviously if you aren't, something must be wrong with the faction.

"lolk"?

Insulting people who have no idea and whom make assertions without basis "LOL GUYZ PE HAVE IT EASY THEY RAPE ALL LOL"

See, that's not a valid argument. A valid argument would include a few statements, followed by proof. Perhaps you would throw some maths in as to why you are right and I'm wrong. You did neither. You deserve to be insulted.

I haven't seen a single valid argument from you in this entire thread pertaining to alleged PE inferiority.  Only something about how long it takes for a Marder to kill a Sherman or some such nonsense.

You      are     forgetting     all     of    your     other     units.


U S E    T H E M.

[MannfredvonRitter]

Dude, go change your panties, they are wet.  All you are doing is whining, bitching and moaning about how bad you have it, and insulting anyone who disagrees with you.

Show me more math about unit X vs. unit Y, it has had so much bearing on the fact that I've seen PE easily win about 75% of the matches I've been involved in - probably about 25 games now.

Go back to playing Wehrmacht if you feel that way.  I know plenty of people, including myself, who are doing quite well with PE.  So obviously if you aren't, something must be wrong with the faction.

"lolk"?

Insulting people who have no idea and whom make assertions without basis "LOL GUYZ PE HAVE IT EASY THEY RAPE ALL LOL"

See, that's not a valid argument. A valid argument would include a few statements, followed by proof. Perhaps you would throw some maths in as to why you are right and I'm wrong. You did neither. You deserve to be insulted.

I haven't seen a single valid argument from you in this entire thread pertaining to alleged PE inferiority.  Only something about how long it takes for a Marder to kill a Sherman or some such nonsense.

You      are     forgetting     all     of    your     other     units.


U S E    T H E M.

I don't use a wide variety of units, I put all of my pp into marders so I can marder blob, I'm coming for your rangers.

Believe it or not, I was actually talking about how the Marder is overpriced. Not that PE are shit. It went from half the sherman price in fuel, to almost the same price.

[gamesguy2]

You also didn't read me saying that British are UP and Wehr are OP? But that's right, I'm biast.

Yes you are.   Brits are by far the most underpowered faction, and yet all you do is whine about PE, which is quite competative right now.

Go stack more fag. I never have seen you play PE without your trusty old Wehr ally, not once.

Ya wanting to play with a balanced team is stacking.

[Lt_Apollo]

You also didn't read me saying that British are UP and Wehr are OP? But that's right, I'm biast.

Yes you are.   Brits are by far the most underpowered faction, and yet all you do is whine about PE, which is quite competative right now.

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WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT BRITS, OR THE OTHER FRACTIONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INFEFECANTCY OF THE PEs MAIN AT WEAPON.

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