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[Fingertrapped]

I believe that is a ongoing discussion, AmPM. People are suggesting to change support weapon veterancy to receive less damage from flamers, which basically helps reduce a specific weakness. The question is whether allies or axis should have their vet reflecting the same line of thought, for example:

Allied vet make units generally better, or specificly better. Like giving rifles more health would make them generally better, while giving m10s faster RoF would make specificly better at taking out tanks it can already penetrate. Increasing its health on the other hand could make it able to go toe-to-toe with a p4 in a straight up fight.

Some veterancy points toward improving special utilities already, like the german sniper becoming better at countersniping. Should veterancy expand range of use for a unit or improve what it already does well?

If you increase damage on vetted engineers, you make them better at doing something they are already good at. If veterancy changes their supression resistance, it expands their role from neccessary flankers to a mainline combat unit. Its a bit of a mess currently what they are trying to do with the vet from the current vet tables, with howitzers getting more health or ACs getting puma armor.

Both types of vet have their ups and downs. Highly specialized units and very strong generalist units both tend to lead to a heavy use/spam of them, in slightly different ways. Super specialists lead to spam of them if the enemy cant counter, by applying their specialist force super hard in a short amount of time. Super generalists just eat up everything you throw at them.

If armored cars received 1.5 damage bonus at vet 3, they would rip infantry apart while still being vulnerable to the same counters. This could mean that when the enemy didnt have a counter ready for them at the exact moment they pounced your inf, they would instagib everything in their path. If vet 3 gave free stickies for rifles or at guns sniped inf with 90% accuracy at vet 3, they would lead to similar spam through weakness being eliminated. Its really a tough call for the devs.

Me personally think specialized units are the way to go while still not increasing too much of the game breaking stats like damage, RoF, penetration etc. Health, speed, cover, received fire, received penetration doesnt break or make a unit.  This also maintains the counter system.

[Tymathee]

I find that interesting. I personally think that they should get better at what they're already good at because think about it, if you're in a battle and you're say, a tank driver, as you keep going, you'll learn to operate the tank better. Or if you're a sniper, you'll get more accurate or learn to fire at longer range, become better at avoiding incoming fire and other stuff.

I feel as smokaz feel, if you try and cover up too many "weaknesses" then you'll generalize units and it seem you are trying to avoid this but i'd prefer my m10's to get better at tank killing as they keep fighintg.

[gamesguy2]

Again with crappy vet.

Vet should make a unit better at its role. Not attempt to make up for its counters and weaknesses. Then you remove the interest of using units to counter other units.

This.

[wildsolus]

not sure if i missed this anywhere or if it wasn't in the old eir either

vet3 sniper doesn't let you run when cloaked? was this removed/never implemented as a balance issue?

[Unkn0wn]

That was only in in a very old version of EIR's vet list. It was removed for obvious imbalance .