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Author Topic: PAKs and ATGuns sniping infantry  (Read 6384 times)
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CafeMilani Offline
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« on: March 11, 2009, 04:51:14 pm »

im sick of PAKs and ATGuns sniping infantry. they are not meant to kill inf but tanks
pls fix this issue like u did with the PAK sniping ATGuns issue
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EliteGrens Offline
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2009, 05:01:57 pm »

I remember when a 17lber killed 3 stormtroopers in a row lol.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 05:19:27 pm »

I remember when a 17lber killed 3 stormtroopers in a row lol.

well i was assaulting a pak with a bren squad, went to a different part of the screen, and upon hearing one of my units was killed saw that the pak had sniped one guy on his way over then the guy with the pistol killed another.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2009, 06:39:15 pm »

Oh for crying out loud. It shot a guy or two across how many games in a row? It's hardly an anti-infantry killing machine, leave the poor AT gun alone.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2009, 06:52:56 pm »

at guns have HE rounds, Technically it hould kill more. 

Its a luck shot, It deters idiots from assulting from directly in front all the time... 

I mean if u can stadt in front of an AT gun... Why not get right on it.. 

Oh and u mean a guy with a pistol... Shot someone....  A man with a gun killed ur guy and ur mad...  Wow..   I think your AT gun crew should shoot care bares.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2009, 07:07:43 pm »

PS, I think the AT guns are fine, I was just pointing out a story, they don't kill enough infantry to make a difference.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2009, 07:09:23 pm »

Well if we wanna get into realism, AT guns could be used as impromptu ballistic artillery with their HE shells :p
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2009, 07:43:59 pm »

Well if we wanna get into realism, AT guns could be used as impromptu ballistic artillery with their HE shells :p

lol agreed. at guns were used as "mobile artillery" in world war 2. the pak and the 57mm were beasts. They were like mini 88's almost. Now...you more than likely wouldn't fire at infantry unless you had the gun hidden and had a great line of sight, but, you could def use it. They were also great at attacking hosues and you could even put the at guns IN houses.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2009, 07:54:38 pm »

Well if we wanna get into realism, AT guns could be used as impromptu ballistic artillery with their HE shells :p

lol agreed. at guns were used as "mobile artillery" in world war 2. the pak and the 57mm were beasts. They were like mini 88's almost. Now...you more than likely wouldn't fire at infantry unless you had the gun hidden and had a great line of sight, but, you could def use it. They were also great at attacking hosues and you could even put the at guns IN houses.

The 88 was often reffered to by a pak designation Cheesy. Although the 57mm is more 'advanced' technology compared to the pak. The pak40 or so was the technology of the same era as the 57mm. By the time America was in the war I'm quite certain the 38 wasn't even in use anymore.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2009, 08:20:47 pm »

Your certainty betrays you as it was in use well in 1945. It was Germany's light AT gun - man mobile, if not man portable, unlike the PaK 40 which was about two tons much like the 17 lber and thus immovable without machinery or an entire platoon to lug it about.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2009, 08:21:31 pm »

Well the Pak38 was one of the first guns to utilize the APCR rounds, but personally anything that has to be towed is a piece of junk


ATG accuracy vs infantry was lowered an additional 15% already how neutered do you want it?
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2009, 08:35:37 am »

pls dont speak about realism k?
its mainly ATGuns which snipe infantry and that is really getting on axis players nerves because squads have most of the time 4 or less members
srsly, fix it
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2009, 08:45:51 am »

In my last game I tried using a 57 mm to attack infanty: guess what happened?  It was over run by the squad of Volks it was attempting to stop; moreover, I eliminated two of the enemy Paks by rushing it (one head on).  I don't see what the problem is. . .

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2009, 08:54:03 am »

of course, they dont snipe always a guy but when they do its pretty annoying because the axis squad size is small
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2009, 08:54:51 am »

I'm lolin in every balanced discussion started by aloha. Nerf atg guns, just nerf everything what is dangerous for him. And I bet he started this topic only because he lost 1 or 2 grens to atg sniping. If u were somehow balance leader in EIR:R I bet u will want to nerf engies, cuz they can shoot.

Maybe play both sides then talk?
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2009, 09:02:49 am »

they dont have to be nerfed, read more carefully, the accuracy modifier against infantry needs to be changed
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2009, 09:08:35 am »

Your certainty betrays you as it was in use well in 1945. It was Germany's light AT gun - man mobile, if not man portable, unlike the PaK 40 which was about two tons much like the 17 lber and thus immovable without machinery or an entire platoon to lug it about.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2009, 11:44:39 am »

Great song, Mannfred, but what does that have to do with the subject at hand?

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2009, 12:28:59 pm »

at gun sniping is very difficult. It will happen, just like panthers can sometimes hit infantry, m10's can sometimes hit infantry, etc. They do get a splash damage. I once used 3 at guns to fire at a squad of infantry know what happened? lost 2 of them and they had 2 guys out of the 4 by the time i got the other one away. (i was bored k, i know it was dumb just testing a theory) i'd crack on aloha...but i told the mods i'd stop so i'll end it right there.
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2009, 08:27:27 pm »

at gun sniping is very difficult. It will happen, just like panthers can sometimes hit infantry, m10's can sometimes hit infantry, etc. They do get a splash damage. I once used 3 at guns to fire at a squad of infantry know what happened? lost 2 of them and they had 2 guys out of the 4 by the time i got the other one away. (i was bored k, i know it was dumb just testing a theory) i'd crack on aloha...but i told the mods i'd stop so i'll end it right there.

Panthers reliably hit unmoving infantry, especially garrisoned infantry.  Its not  bad against infantry at all, unlike AT guns.
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