just remove the tiger ace please.

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[TheDeadlyShoe]

it's got too many hitpoints, too much firepower, and too high a speed.   it has no weaknesses.

it either needs a significant nerf or it needs to be taken out.

and nobody seems to want to nerf it.

If I see one more support weapon spam + TA company I'm going to puke.

[CafeMilani]

the unit itself is nice BUT when u have the ace one the field, u will also have the tiger ace syndrom 
try it out

[TheDeadlyShoe]

I really don't care. It typically costs me several vet units to kill a TA.

[CafeMilani]

u care too much about vet^^

[TheDeadlyShoe]

I really don't.

[Two]

Yes ace has no weaknesses it just gibs everything and never dies, terror gets the KT, blitz gets the tiger, thats how it should be.


and aloha try to stay on topic please, i know its hard but try.

[Mysthalin]

Exactly - the TA is just.. it's just supperior to ANYTHING that can be fielded for the same popcap and cost, with no drawback whatsoever. It's got great armor, great speed, great AT and great AI. It's just got no weakness(I mean, even the cali has a weakness of not being able to shoot inbetween barrages - the TA just doesn't have any weakness at all).

[Killer344]

Yeah, it doesn´t have any weakness at all.... but..... that´s all you have lol, P4 spam with side skirts is quite deadly, an ACE is just another heavy tank that gets pwned by manpacked AT.

[Two]

Its all you have if you call it out straight away, and even then your teammates should have enough to support it, and aces pwn AT.

[Sach]

why is the TA in the game again btw?

[Killer344]

Brens anyone? Jeep blocking + Sticky? M10s? AP rounds? RRs? Zooks in the ass? Fireflies + CCT? callies (lol)?

[Mysthalin]

It's not that it's uncounterable - it just does much, much more(way too much) for the same price.

[sgMisten]

The TA has a nice blend of everything - firepower, armour, health, speed. And it's been mentioned tons of times before that it's a BS unit in its current form. It has 1 weakness - the same weakness as all heavy tanks, too much pop/resource in 1 unit. Which is the main way to beat it, but it's a lot harder than say, a KT.

Saintpauli had a good suggestion for the TA, which is to make a vet 3 tiger become a tiger ace, meaning it's a really really hard unit to get, but a good reward, rather than it being more common than regular tigers and KTs.

Background for this thread's start: A 3v3 where the 3 axis players (i was one of them) brought out a tiger ace each, simultaneously. It wasn't planned, we didn't even know we had tiger aces, but all 3 came out and yea it was hellish for the allies. 1 TA died, 1 main gun destroyed, other with 50% hp but allies ran out of stuff after that.

[sgMisten]

look at the replay section who AWESOME it is.

and srsly, the ketten is just.. it's just supperior to ANYTHING that can be fielded for the same popcap and cost, with no drawback whatsoever

O.o

[Smokaz]

The tiger ace is laughable, it can only dominate when proper counters are not fielded or the other team is getting outplayed. It is too good for its cost though. Since we dont adjust stats here it needs a cost increase. These examples where 3 aces or 2 TA's and a jagd comes out at once... well this has some shock value doesnt it? I mean for pop, if you have 54 pop worth of TAs.. holy shit. You can have 10 at guns just pointing at them.

[Killer344]

It really sucks honestly,

Fail ACE, Part 1: http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=8578.0
Fail ACE, Part 2: http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=8504.0 (it´s the 2nd replay)
Fail ACEs, Part 3: http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=8370.0
Fail ACEs, Part 4 : http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=8281.0

[Mysthalin]

Smokaz - you need quite a lot of those "proper counters" to be fielded at the same time for it to be really effectively dealt with, which is the problem.
And as for the stats argument - it was taken out of vCoH - the main reason we're sticking by vCoH for the balance is so that the learning curve is lessened. However, right now...

[CafeMilani]

you just need 2 brens and 1 ATGun to kill it- sounds easy, doesnt it?

[Unkn0wn]

The tiger ace is laughable, it can only dominate when proper counters are not fielded or the other team is getting outplayed. It is too good for its cost though. Since we dont adjust stats here it needs a cost increase. These examples where 3 aces or 2 TA's and a jagd comes out at once... well this has some shock value doesnt it? I mean for pop, if you have 54 pop worth of TAs.. holy shit. You can have 10 at guns just pointing at them.

Its already the most expensive tank in the game mind you.

[CafeMilani]

smokaz u say its laughable, "it can only dominate when proper counters are not fielded" and in the next sentence "it needs a cost increase"

well, either...or...