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[DuckOfDoom]

I noticed that the 6lbs gun does not give green cover to its crew like the 57mm or the pak. Is this deliberate? If so, its quite useless, because it can be decrewed by volks firing at long range or get 1-shoted by a p4 in the face.

[AmPM]

Green cover or not, mine are always fantastic.

[Malevolence]

Fake AT gun is ftw xD

[panzerjager1943]

If it were to give green cover it could cloak everywhere.

[acker]

Give the crew more health, then, or a better armor type, or some sort of accuracy modifier?

[Killer344]

Why? it has more flame resistance than any other ATG that way...

[AmPM]

Why? it has more flame resistance than any other ATG that way...

This

[Baine]

And it's good enough already as you usually wouldn't have a mobile atgun...



Keep the cloak or give them green cover. You can decide what is better...

[acker]

Yeah, just in case they pull out a flamethrower instead of, say, shooting at it. Because 90% of all units out there are armed with rifles, pistols, SMGs, cannons...things that cover protects against, things that have much more range than a flamethrower.

Better flame protection is no excuse. I keep my troops away from roads, even though roads limit flamethrower damage.

Didn't the Brits lose the 17lbr for this? ATGs should be relatively functional, considering its cost.

[Unkn0wn]

We did not remove the 17 pounder. Also, I think you are exaggerating claiming that it's 'useless' in its current state.

[acker]

You are correct. Only 2 out of 3 doctrine choices lost the 17lbr, Royal Engineers has the ability to build them. My bad.

There's a reason why I didn't write 'useless', I'm not sure where I'm exaggerating.

[Two]

The crew are incredibly weak even when in green cover, and everything seems to kill it though, seems impossible to miss from at guns and tanks.

[Killer344]

Yeah, just in case they pull out a flamethrower instead of, say, shooting at it. Because 90% of all units out there are armed with rifles, pistols, SMGs, cannons...things that cover protects against, things that have much more range than a flamethrower.

Better flame protection is no excuse. I keep my troops away from roads, even though roads limit flamethrower damage.

Didn't the Brits lose the 17lbr for this? ATGs should be relatively functional, considering its cost.

I think you need to give them a try before coming here with the "LOLOLOLOL IT´S JUST A 57 BUT WITHOUT GREEN COVER AND AP ROUNDS".

They can cloak.
They can´t get killed instantly by flame units.
And they also have the mighty tommies with their mighty brens to make sure that tank won´t get away alive.

[acker]

I think you need to calm down, and think before posting.

Only the Wehrmacht has real flame weapons; the Flammenwerfer Halftrack, and the Pioneer Flamethrower. The chance that either of these is going to touch a 6lbr is miniscule in comparison to...well, pretty much everything else.

The other flame weapons in use don't follow the flamethrower table rules; they deal the same, if not more, damage to units in the open in comparison to heavy-cover units.*

In short, they lose a ton of ballistic protection (against everything from rifles to tank guns) for fire resistance against the Flammenwerfer Halftrack and the Pioneer Flamethrower. This is eerily reminiscent of the protection against penetration that Relic used to give to vetted Axis Halftracks. If you think this is fair, I have nothing else to say.


The only "advantage" that the 6lbr has is that it can cloak in cover. Sort of like how the 57mm gets the "advantage" of AP rounds, and the Pak gets the "advantage" of cloak.

*I'm not sure about this for the Nebelwerfer. Though COH-stats says that Nebels deal more dmg against open/default cover units than heavy-cover units (not a typo), I'm still looking for the burn time modifiers.

[AmPM]

It works just fine, trust me =)

That and when you use a Tommy squad or Sappers to reman it they get the LT aura bonus. Not sure how that affects the fun though.

[acker]

Green cover or not, mine are always fantastic.

Everything is just fine for you . I haven't seen you post a complaint about a unit in a long time.

Moving along...

[AmPM]

Not everything, I commented on the AVRE timer and the Churchill Croc main gun not working.

Perhaps I just know how to use my ATGs?

If your ATG is under heavy fire and it can cloak, its dead anyway since your position is overrun. No amount of green cover will save them.

[acker]

No kidding. But dying from long-range fire and tank shots isn't exactly the same thing as heavy fire.

And, considering that heavy cover halves damage/accuracy from ballistic weapons and tank guns (and reduces most other dmg except for the two mentioned weapons)...it is a pretty big deal. Especially when under moderate fire. And, for that matter, when facing tanks.

If the unit would die anyways when under heavy fire, then why not give it defensive protection in one form or another? According to your logic, it would die anyways when under heavy fire, and wouldn't matter in such a scenario. The only time when this would be beneficial would be long to medium range infantry fire and tank fire. Which an AT gun should be able to withstand, to a certain extent, so it can withdraw or fire back.

I'm not sure how you can argue that the 6lbr doesn't need some form of protection. Every other AT gun has it for a reason only knownst to Relic and the devs.

[AmPM]

I usually have mine on Hold Fire, till I can get the Button off.

Same with the PIATs.

Never leave them on fire at will.

[acker]

Good to see you know how to use it, and that it isn't useless.

Anything else about flame weapons (Nebel)? From COH-Stats, I haven't been able to find any different modifiers for the burn AOE effect...but I haven't found anything on that at all. I'm assuming that it's covered under the general weapons description. Still...searching...

Bad wording FTL, on my part.

Wait...how the hell does an Incendiary Grenade do less dmg to entrenched units? Something is screwed up. COH-Stats has failed me...