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[Scyn]

Why would you 'Look' for a pak? The idea behind scout isn't to find cloaked units, it's to figure out where you can flank/attack.

Also.. How is there an MG42 suppressing your riflemen that are supposedly protecting your 57mm that's getting simultaneously sniped by a pak? This totally sounds like player error and not game mechanic brokenness.

[BigDick]

lol.... @ paksnipe, I mean, cmon, the 57 gun can be healed really fast by the triage.

because its so convenient to pull your 57 off the line to heal it, its not like he isn't going to make a push when you pull it all the way back to the safety of your triage.

eh i heal my AT57mm as often as possible with triage center (crew+gun=brand new AT gun)

since at guns are only 4 pop it is not that difficult to have enough AT on the field to get some damaged ATs back to healing zone

im starting to wonder if some of the people posting in here even play as US 

almost exclusively since some time

[RikiRude]

Why would you 'Look' for a pak? The idea behind scout isn't to find cloaked units, it's to figure out where you can flank/attack.

Also.. How is there an MG42 suppressing your riflemen that are supposedly protecting your 57mm that's getting simultaneously sniped by a pak? This totally sounds like player error and not game mechanic brokenness.

the rifles go to attack the pak that is sniping the AT gun, but getting shot form the MG. and the scouting thing makes sense, that is player error on my part then.

[Scyn]

You don't send rifles in blindly... rifles are your number one source of fodder, wasting your fodder is foolish. Just like you don't chase after a sniper. Because 99.9% of the time there's an MG just waiting for you to try it.

[gamesguy2]

almost exclusively since some time

Yet you are too scared to not smurf.

No one believes you when you say you play allies bigdick.

[CafeMilani]

almost exclusively since some time

Yet you are too scared to not smurf.

No one believes you when you say you play allies bigdick.

he does, and me too.

[salan]

they both do.. !

[gamesguy2]

almost exclusively since some time

Yet you are too scared to not smurf.

No one believes you when you say you play allies bigdick.

he does, and me too.

Then post a replay.  You two NEVER post replays.

[Nevyen]

hang on shouldn't that be "replay or it didn't happen"....... now im confused is someone smurfing alohas profile?

[BigDick]

almost exclusively since some time

Yet you are too scared to not smurf.

No one believes you when you say you play allies bigdick.

he does, and me too.

Then post a replay.  You two NEVER post replays.

i never did why should i do now?
and why should someone post a replay when he get continuously flamed
there was a replay posted by someone else of "known"  "smurfs" and the thread went to nothing than flame without i even posted there 

hang on shouldn't that be "replay or it didn't happen"....... now im confused is someone smurfing alohas profile?

"replay or it didn't happen" is from me...and you should remind the context

[Baine]

They do play and in fact i play allies too atm :p

[Dragon2008]

I think this has gone too far off topic and turned into people slagin people off thread. The thread needs closing.

[31stPzGren]

I think this has gone too far off topic and turned into people slagin people off thread. The thread needs closing.

It is only certain groups of people possessing animosity towards each other. Its only a game chaps, you've got a life outside of this.

[VariantThirteen]

Look, I went to draw a paint reply explaining this, but instead I thought I'd just write it.

All of these hypotheticals are very silly because they depict the 57 and the pak in a vacuum. Battle one always seems to be 57 unsupported vs pak unsupported. There are SO many things that mess with this scenario SO much, like snipers on the flanks, any kind of infantry screen, the presence of tanks, the possibility of arty that can take advantage of the pak decloaking and committing to sit in an area for a while.

All this indicates is bad play. You don't leave your ATGs naked as allies without expecting repurcussions. In return, you get larger and more numerous squads to recrew the weapons with, better indirect fire to decrew enemy atgs with, and GodSnipers who still can't be effectively countersniped.

Edit: Just a quick extra comment. The Pak needs to be changed. At present it is most unsatisfactory.

[Scyn]

All of these hypotheticals are very silly because they depict the 57 and the pak in a vacuum. Battle one always seems to be 57 unsupported vs pak unsupported. There are SO many things that mess with this scenario SO much, like snipers on the flanks, any kind of infantry screen, the presence of tanks, the possibility of arty that can take advantage of the pak decloaking and committing to sit in an area for a while.

Point, Set, Match.

Edit: Just a quick extra comment. The Pak needs to be changed. At present it is most unsatisfactory.

You'll be seeing a change soon enough.

[Baine]

All of these hypotheticals are very silly because they depict the 57 and the pak in a vacuum. Battle one always seems to be 57 unsupported vs pak unsupported. There are SO many things that mess with this scenario SO much, like snipers on the flanks, any kind of infantry screen, the presence of tanks, the possibility of arty that can take advantage of the pak decloaking and committing to sit in an area for a while.

Point, Set, Match.

That's exactly what i wanted to express with my picture.

[Mgallun74]

Had a great example of this goofyness last night in a game with Smokaz and Tym.   Forgot the map, but i was down in south part of map near a church, i had some units there as the enemy had Mark4 as well, he was low on health from getting hit from a 57mm a few times, but he backed up and out of range of my 57mm.. so, i jeep scout and see the mark4 as well as a stug... so i move my 57mm up to get within range to engage the damaged mark4.. and wham, a cloaked pak shoots and direct hit, so i move my 57mm back to get out of range, but, pak shoots again, another direct hit.

so ya, 2 shots from a cloaked pak on my 57mm were direct hits..

[Malevolence]

Point, Set, Match.

Not at all because none of these are depicting just the PaK and just the 57mm. My entire argument is based around the fact that when the PaK shoots the 57mm it or something else will then finish the 57mm a lot easier because the PaK did in fact take that free shot.

If the PaK uncloaks after the first shot in an AT gun duel the 57mm can fire back and have a decent shot at winning rather than simply having to retreat outright.

[RikiRude]

to iterate mals posts, imagine if every infantry engagement us had a free sniper shot with a 50% to miss. thats kind of how to think about paks taking a free shot at 57's.