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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2009, 03:49:02 am » |
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ye that's why everyone.
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Duckordie
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2009, 03:53:22 am » |
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I dear you to battle me, I get 3 marders and you get 1 Jaged...
Axis vs Axis, bring it
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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2009, 03:55:40 am » |
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I would love to see that battle.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2009, 05:46:21 am » |
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With a 30 percent chance to penetrate on the marder, so a total of one penetrated, two bounced shots per volley ( 270 total), the marders would need 6 volleys to kill a jagdpanther. The jagdpanther would need significantly more shots to kill 3 marders, and would lose horribly.
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2009, 06:11:16 am » |
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Everyone seems to have missed the elephant in the room when comparing a jagd to 3 marders or a panther which is that you can move a pather or 3 marders (admittedly only one at a time) while attacking tank/s that are trying to flank you, thus dealing damage and defeating the flank, while you CANNOT do this with a turretless Jagd.
How often do you actually see a well microd Panther get flanked? Hell, even my KTs didn't get flanked all that much if they're well microd without engine damage. Having a turret makes executing a flank that much more difficult because you can force the turret to turn fast enough to engage the flanking tanks, which for a heavy tank is normally enough to defeat the flank if combined with some other creative micro, most of which is documented in the Panther Ace Guide.
Pretty much the only thing I think the Jagd outperforms comparable options for is the ability to assfuck AT guns, which is a thing PE otherwise has big problems with.
The turret situation is in itself is the biggest reason why the Panther is a better all round investment than a Jagd despite a bunch of smallish stat advantages the Jagd has (ignoring the big health and armour difference here >.> ).
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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2009, 06:59:14 am » |
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Marder 3 not only can not shoot while moving, mal(there is no explanation why they have a moving accuracy modifier), but it can even also use the semi-auto ATG exploit I'm fairly certain it can be on halt but decelerating and fire simultaneously as it considers itself "halted". |
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Akranadas' Greatest Hits, Volume 1: Vet has nothing to do with unit preformance. We are serious about enforcing this, and I am sure you all want to be able to have your balance thought considered by the development team with some biased, sensationalist coming into your thread and ruining it. |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2009, 07:02:56 am » |
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thusly, it can't fire on teh move unless it's relic's fuck-up  . As always. |
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2009, 07:29:58 am » |
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axis heavy tanks are useless now because they cost too much and u dont get abilities which make them stronger like the pershing. (field repairs, uber cannon, double crew repairs)
kinda sad
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2009, 07:54:04 am » |
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Not so sad if you see the fact that this will get changed soon and more awesomeness will be implemented.
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2009, 08:09:15 am » |
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what do you mean?-.- calli t2?
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Sharpshooter824
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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2009, 08:23:03 am » |
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Aloha stop your whining...if US didn't get a company dedicated to only armor to make their tanks stand up to panthers, tigers etc. better then it'd be unfair
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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2009, 08:31:10 am » |
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If Axis tanks are not good enough spend your fuel on goliaths and use them to blow the foe.
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Sharpshooter824
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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2009, 08:32:37 am » |
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Yes I do understand your point, your mad that because someone chose a doctrine dedicated to tanks that you can't own 3 shermans at a time with your panther
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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2009, 08:34:26 am » |
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If we followed realism a panther would be owning 3 shermans at once.
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2009, 08:38:37 am » |
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wow ur such a noob..
i dont have a panther; see? u dont get the point
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Akranadas
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« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2009, 08:47:49 am » |
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Don't worry guys; If I get my way; the Jadgpanther will be becoming very special. Fear my idea allied players.
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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2009, 09:05:33 am » |
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axis heavy tanks are useless now because they cost too much and u dont get abilities which make them stronger like the pershing. (field repairs, uber cannon, double crew repairs)
kinda sad
Yeah, because Defensive Panthers can´t have Omniscience to shoot and kite at max range or Fatherland Defense that increases all your unit´s HP by 20, neither Blitzrkieg Tigers/TA/Panthers can get Longer Barrels, Smoke Canister, Repair Specialisation, HEAT Rounds, Conviction or German Engineering, not even the Terror doctrine has Intensity (to make those mounted hmgs nasty at close range), German Steel or Beast of Burden. /Sarcasm. Oh wait, all the axis doctrines have ways to buff all your tanks while there´s only 1 that can do that with the allies you fucking biased cunt. |
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If I get shot and it's a gay medic fixing me up, he's not gonna be fondling my balls while he does it. You can't patch a chest wound and suck a cock at the same time.
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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2009, 10:06:01 am » |
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Don't worry guys; If I get my way; the Jadgpanther will be becoming very special. Fear my idea allied players.
Omg, lockdown or stealth mode :O |
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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2009, 10:07:15 am » |
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lmao. If he's saying what he said of in the dev forum.. I don't think there'd be anyone not taking a jadg
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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2009, 10:34:28 am » |
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panthers already own three shermans at once
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