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[Duckordie]

I think I am alone with Tank Reapers, but I am not sure if its working right,

Right now, in my last game on crossroads. I killed a vet 3 Panzer IV,
With: 4 Bazooka shots from my 2 ranger squads (each ranger squad got 2 Zokas if I remember right) and 1 hit for a Allied At gun. (Mine also)

the rangers hitted the Panzer IV from the side (It had skirts) and my At gun hit it one time from front.
After I got my Tank Reapers, my Ranger squads just move around and kill any armor,

My vet 2 Allied at gun killed a Pe half tack in one shot (hit the side)

No AP rounds, can we have a cheek if this works like it should?
If it works like it should, I recommend to lower dmg from 20% to like 15% or lower.

Tank reapers:
20% more dmg
33% penetration
25% more accurate

[spinn72]

sounds like penetration is super and damage is even better.

[scrapking]

Duck, you may end up being right about this, but the only thing I would caution is that several other doctrine T4s are very powerful right now, and yet others seem like they might be very "blah" at best.

My point is, is it a question of bringing the "blah" ones up to the usefulness of the really good ones (Tank Reapers, Crete Veterans, Heat Rounds, Panzer Zeal, for example), or bringing the good ones down to be more "blah"?  Or perhaps more appropriately - some combination of both.

Although to be honest, one thing I would expect from Tank Reapers is a vet 2 ATG one-shotting a halftrack.  When they start one-shotting light armor vehicles I would be a bit more concerned.  And they already might be doing that with AP rounds for all I know.

[Bubz]

an atg kills a halftrack in two shots. with 20% more damage it's hard that you oneshot halftracks, maybe you scored a critic?

[Mysthalin]

150*1.5(modifier vs HT armor)*1.2(TR) = 270 DMG.
300 HP on a halftrack.
Theorethicaly - not possible until you get another 5 percent damage boost from vet ;P.

[scrapking]

150*1.5(modifier vs HT armor)*1.2(TR) = 270 DMG.
300 HP on a halftrack.
Theorethicaly - not possible until you get another 5 percent damage boost from vet ;P.

So vet 3 ATG, yes, vet 2 ATG, no?  Theoretically.  Duck's example must have been a critical?  Or it already had slight damage on it?  Or small arms fire coincided with the ATG shot?  In any event, its ballpark to one-shotting it.

[Duckordie]

How do you see if its a cirical or not?

I scouted with a jeep, the at auto shot (due the half track was in range) and boom, dead

[scrapking]

How do you see if its a cirical or not?

I scouted with a jeep, the at auto shot (due the half track was in range) and boom, dead

I don't think that you can?  I think the only way is to rely on what the halftrack HP is, and how much damage the ATG is supposed to do after applying appropriate buffs.

As Mysthalin has shown, unless the stats are incorrect, it either had to be a critical or already damaged, or there was some other source of incoming damage not accounted for. 

[Duckordie]

hmmm. Well I make some replays then of games with Tank reapers, you judge yourslef

[Mgallun74]

I think I am alone with Tank Reapers, but I am not sure if its working right,

Right now, in my last game on crossroads. I killed a vet 3 Panzer IV,
With: 4 Bazooka shots from my 2 ranger squads (each ranger squad got 2 Zokas if I remember right) and 1 hit for a Allied At gun. (Mine also)

the rangers hitted the Panzer IV from the side (It had skirts) and my At gun hit it one time from front.
After I got my Tank Reapers, my Ranger squads just move around and kill any armor,

My vet 2 Allied at gun killed a Pe half tack in one shot (hit the side)

No AP rounds, can we have a cheek if this works like it should?
If it works like it should, I recommend to lower dmg from 20% to like 15% or lower.

Tank reapers:
20% more dmg
33% penetration
25% more accurate

lowering it lower than 20 per would make it useless as a T4 considering some axis T4s out there...  so thats not good imho..

anyways, on just a base damage number..

TR zook would be 90 Damage?  90x4=360
TR 57mm would be 180 damage?   

360+180=540 damage points.

isnt a base mk4 600hp?  this of course doesnt take a vet3 mk4 buffs, or any silly modifiers that say a zook or 57mm would have against a mk4.. and vet3 rangers get 10per damage buff too..

[Mukip]

I wouldn't mind seeing Tank Reapers and a couple axis T4's toned down a bit as long as it they were done together.

[VictorTarget]

I wouldn't mind seeing Next Gen or a few armor T4's kicked up a notch...why don't we do a bit of both?

[Mgallun74]

imho, all these doctirne unit buffs actually ruins the gameplay, but thats just me.. she allow doct to give you weapons, and let vet take care of some buffs.

[EIRRMod]

Next Gen Vehicles will be undergoing a change.

[VictorTarget]

Next Gen Vehicles will be undergoing a change.

Yay!

I can be a Next Gen fanboy again, then? 

[SaintPauli]

TR zook would be 90 Damage?  90x4=360
TR 57mm would be 180 damage?   

360+180=540 damage points.
 

The Zooks have a 1.6 dam modifier against the P4. With the tank reaper ability each zook does 144 dam (Piats do a standard damage of 144 to P4s and shreks do 120 dam to Shermans). A flanking zook squad has always been very very deadly. People just don’t recognize that. 

[Mgallun74]

TR zook would be 90 Damage?  90x4=360
TR 57mm would be 180 damage?   

360+180=540 damage points.
 

The Zooks have a 1.6 dam modifier against the P4. With the tank reaper ability each zook does 144 dam (Piats do a standard damage of 144 to P4s and shreks do 120 dam to Shermans). A flanking zook squad has always been very very deadly. People just don’t recognize that. 

1.6 against non skirted.. 1.2 against skirted. 

[Killer344]

If it hits, and then if it penetrates heh..

[Tymathee]

okay, so now zooks are as good as schrecks? Sounds like fun I've almost got my t4 can't wait. Tanks will ph33r me again!

[Freek]

okay, so now zooks are as good as schrecks? Sounds like fun I've almost got my t4 can't wait. Tanks will ph33r me again!

Zooks aren't as good as shreks, not by a long shot.  You have to get behind a tank, and close to it to actually do real damage.  Unlike shreks, which are more like a prototype of the US Javelin AT Missile system.