SaintPauli
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« on: July 01, 2009, 05:16:47 pm » |
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Wehrmacht On Map ArtilleryNote: Post have been modified Why is the Stuka, a highly movable artillery piece, given to the defensive doctrine? I suggest we move the Stuka to blitz to highlight the moveability of the doctrine (just like PE gets mortar halftracks instead of regular mortars). Nebelwerfers should be limited to Terror only. Defensive could have the howitzer from ToV campaign as their artillery unit. This should help differentiate the fractions a bit more because at the moment no one is using Stukas and everyone is using nebels. Blitz: Stuka Terror: Nebelwerfer Defensive: Axis howitzer from ToV campaign Axis howitzer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU1HKZTBEXE
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« Last Edit: July 02, 2009, 11:35:44 pm by SaintPauli »
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| Jazzhead
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 05:24:30 pm » |
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I thought the reason no one used the stuka was that it doesn't have the burn the nebl has. Unless it's different in EIRR.
Nebls decrew stuff (especially support spam) way better than stuka imo
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 05:30:41 pm » |
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I thought the reason no one used the stuka was that it doesn't have the burn the nebl has. Unless it's different in EIRR.
Nebls decrew stuff (especially support spam) way better than stuka imo
The nebel is better yes but that’s not the point. Point is differentiation. I also said it needs cost restructuring. |
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| BeRzErKeR
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 05:34:31 pm » |
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If blitz was to have the stuka, then they would have 2 doctrine specific units, while defensive would not even have any.
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| spinn72
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 05:38:21 pm » |
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Defensive Doctrine always needed more units to be unlocked. At the start, all they really had was the 88 and then nothing else. The stuka follows defensive doctrine's focus on Artillery and should be kept there. The nebel is just as fine with all other doctrines, i wouldn't complain since it's the only free pp artillery you can get.
Mobile Artillery is meant to cost a tonne of fuel. A priest costs around 375 fuel from what i remember (a hummel around the same). From that i'd say a stuka would be fairly priced around 250-270 fuel.
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 05:44:50 pm » |
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If blitz was to have the stuka, then they would have 2 doctrine specific units, while defensive would not even have any.
Terror: 4 man KCH King Tiger Nebel Defensive: 88 Nebel Officer (in reinforcement package) Bliz: Tiger Stuka Stormtroopers (in reinforcement package) StuH (in reinforcement package) |
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 05:49:00 pm » |
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The stuka follows defensive doctrine's focus on Artillery and should be kept there. Defensive have Rocket Arty and officer barrage. Terror has V1 and firestorm. The doctrine that needs more arty is blitz (attacking a highly fortified position can be almost impossible with blitz) |
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Killer344
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 06:19:10 pm » |
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Blitz never needed arty.. and I don't think brits have changed that.
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AmPM
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 06:20:41 pm » |
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Most Blitz companies always had a Nebel in them to suppress/force movement of support weapons, then they could attack through the gap.
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 06:35:23 pm » |
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Blitz never needed arty.. and I don't think brits have changed that.
yeah, "we are the tank hunters, we just kill tanks, we don't breaktrough, we don't attack, we just wait and hide... until the tanks come and we kill them, and then we hide and wait before we go below 15 pop cap, yarrrrr!"
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Killer344
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 06:41:59 pm » |
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I was talking about TH in the 2nd quote noob!, they don't have nebels like blitz ...
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 06:49:43 pm » |
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I know. But the point is all doctrines need some kind of arty. wouldn’t it be better to differentiate the doctrines? Why must all wehr doctrines use nebels? Why is the mobile arty given to the doctrine that specializes in staying in one area? As it is now allies are complaining about too many nebels and no one is using the stukas.
Why are people so resistant to change?
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AmPM
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 06:51:19 pm » |
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PE need the Stuka, you guys can have the Hotchkiss.
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 06:53:41 pm » |
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PE need the Stuka, you guys can have the Hotchkiss.
If they fixed the gun on the Hotchkiss it would be awesome. |
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| Piotrskivich
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 07:07:54 pm » |
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I thought blitzkrieg was supposed to be better assault troops (tiger, stormtroopers) and not much artillery.
Could it be that you play blitzkrieg and that is one of the reasons you want it moved?
Stormtroopers and Stuka in the same doctrine would be weird. That would be like commandos and priest in the same doctrine.
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 07:21:33 pm » |
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Could it be that you play blitzkrieg and that is one of the reasons you want it moved?
Yes I play both Terror and Blitz (main). I also have the no. 1 nebel on the leaderbord. But people generally recognize the Nebel as being superior to the Stuka so WHY THE FUCK should I suggest and inferior unit for my own sake??? |
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 07:37:44 pm » |
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precision strike should be all the arty Blitzkrieg get. After all, Armour Doctrine gets nothing, Royal Engineers get nothing and Tankbusters get nothing.
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 07:54:24 pm » |
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Blitz should get nothing for Arty. Blitz has always been a physical doctrine like Armoured and now Tank Destroyers and Royal Engineers(if anything RE needs the offmap choices)
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Tymathee
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2009, 08:09:01 pm » |
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Blitz should get nothing for Arty. Blitz has always been a physical doctrine like Armoured and now Tank Destroyers and Royal Engineers(if anything RE needs the offmap choices)
I agree, no more precision arty for blitz pl0x |
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2009, 08:22:41 pm » |
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precision strike should be all the arty Blitzkrieg get. After all, Armour Doctrine gets nothing, Royal Engineers get nothing and Tankbusters get nothing.
We are talking about ON MAP ARTILLERY. Armot gets the cali (best on map artillery!!!), tankbusters get hotchkiss, Engineers get nothing (if anything RE needs the offmap choices like brn4meplz says). Blitz already has the Nebel. I’m suggesting to give them the Stuka instead. How can that be considered OP when everyone agrees that the Nebel is bette? I suggested removing the Nebel from Blitz at the same time!!! |
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