Boys AT

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Boys AT

« on: July 05, 2009, 06:50:21 am »

Seriously... this needs a price increase... its just to spammable, and, in the large groups widely available to RSE players, there too good against inf. nothing can stand up to a properly supported group of these, and at vet 2+ they start penetrating skirted p4s! For instance, a game i just had, the player BlobsEqualsWin (no comments on the name, please) had 12 tommies, 11 of them had Boys At. That cost him 550 munis... thats not even enough for 10 lmgs, or 2 shcreck storms. I suggest a price increase to 75 - 80 possibly 90, make it equal with the other weapons in their arsonal.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 07:02:36 am »

Wow, this is seriously what ruins weapons is people spamming them..

Overfreeze, anything in large numbers is going to own period.. and no they don't penetrate skirted P4s at vet 2, I have a vet 3 Boys AT squad that doesn't do it, if it penetrated your skirted P4 it was an EXTREMELY lucky shot


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2009, 07:04:39 am »

http://rapidshare.de/files/47760934/replay.rar.html

Link to the replay. Only way I see beating this kind of blob is with good MG/arty work (except that pesky bail out button) or assault.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 07:09:14 am »

Quote from: Sharpshooter824 on July 05, 2009, 07:02:36 am

Result?

Increase all Weapon prices to so that every squad is not upgraded with something


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 07:10:53 am »

Well let me say first of all Boys AT rifles do absolutely nothing VS vehicles because they phase through or just bounce 75% of the time. They can't penetrate tanks rear armor unless they get EXTREMELY lucky and third, if you think im defending the AT rifle because I spam them, I run 7 tommy squads and only 2 Boys AT rifles

You seem to not realize that there is 4 other rifles in the squad all doing damage to the enemy target and when the AT rifle shoots and manages to kill an enemy it looks like it did it all by itself..

Blobbing really has nothing to do with the AT rifle because anybody can blob with any weapon


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2009, 07:11:46 am »

Its like equipping another rifle in the squad with slightly extra damage Nightrain, for 50 munitions lol


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2009, 07:12:47 am »

Quote from: Sharpshooter824 on July 05, 2009, 07:10:53 am

Well let me say first of all Boys AT rifles do absolutely nothing VS vehicles

Watch the replay and say that again.
PE just vanish against that kind of blob.


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Mukip

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2009, 07:15:15 am »

PE vanish against several kinds of blob. I think it says more about PE than it does about the boys at rifle.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2009, 07:17:06 am »

I have no time to watch the replay but use a P4 IST unless he has PIAts, then just keep moving it


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overfreeze222 Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2009, 07:49:39 am »

Quote from: Sharpshooter824 on July 05, 2009, 07:02:36 am

I know that anything in large numbers works well... but they shouldn't be able to get these in such large numbers, otherwise i want to be able to have 11 squads with lmgs.. and dont give me that "theres 4 other ppl shooting, doing damage" crap, u can SEE the shots from the At rifles going into AND killing the men individually, at full health. you can literally watch squads melt in front of 4 - 5 of these things, vets not an issue to these things

And seriously, whats wrong with a price increase. It happened to shrecs to stop shreck blobs, happened to LMG's to stop LMG blobs, Happened to bars, mp40s it has happened to EVERY other weapon, the PIAT, the Thompsons name one weapon in this mod that hasnt had its price increased to stop them being spammed so much


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Sixpack Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2009, 09:44:21 am »

Quote from: Sharpshooter824 on July 05, 2009, 07:17:06 am

I have no time to watch the replay but use a P4 IST unless he has PIAts, then just keep moving it

It could be so simple in candy land.....
Do you realy think he´d run around with a blob without the proper support?


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2009, 10:35:35 am »

Quote from: overfreeze222 on July 05, 2009, 07:49:39 am

Quote from: Sharpshooter824 on July 05, 2009, 07:02:36 am

I know that anything in large numbers works well... but they shouldn't be able to get these in such large numbers, otherwise i want to be able to have 11 squads with lmgs.. and dont give me that "theres 4 other ppl shooting, doing damage" crap, u can SEE the shots from the At rifles going into AND killing the men individually, at full health. you can literally watch squads melt in front of 4 - 5 of these things, vets not an issue to these things

And seriously, whats wrong with a price increase. It happened to shrecs to stop shreck blobs, happened to LMG's to stop LMG blobs, Happened to bars, mp40s it has happened to EVERY other weapon, the PIAT, the Thompsons name one weapon in this mod that hasnt had its price increased to stop them being spammed so much

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2009, 11:30:12 am »

You seem to forgot the Boys AT rifle is a T2 doctrinal unlock for a crappy doctrine also, I agree, make it 75 munitions and leave it alone for now


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2009, 11:34:02 am »

I've watched 2 games of traitorboy and wildsolus with TB spamming boys at rifle, and they didnt seem over the top of all, rather a big waste.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2009, 12:22:52 pm »

Quote from: Smokaz on July 05, 2009, 11:34:02 am

I've watched 2 games of traitorboy and wildsolus with TB spamming boys at rifle, and they didnt seem over the top of all, rather a big waste.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2009, 02:21:03 pm »

LOL
ive seen pe spam g43's and they were pretty rape, so before you come whining to me about spamming weapons go talk to the guys who have 12 g43's in one company


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2009, 02:52:39 pm »

we're cool and overfreeze so i'll be honest. If you're getting raped by boys at rifles, then you need to figure out another strategy vs them. Nearly every weapon is "spammable" some people have bars on all their squads, some have g4's, some have zooks some have lmgs etc. Like me, all my rifles either have a bar or zook, should we lower the price on those? If he chooses to "waste" his munitions on boys at rifles on all his units, then so be it, thats what he wants to do. Now unless you see several people using this strategy and consistently winning that way, i find no problem with it.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2009, 03:21:07 pm »

I found them to be balanced until 2 of them showed up and killed my mg head on.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2009, 03:45:31 pm »

I wonder, do Boys AT Rifles have a chance to kill a unit even at Green Health? Because if they can crit people at full health then that might be the problem.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2009, 04:43:40 pm »

I think so, last game I played, I saw how Draken sniped a sniper with one of his boys AT squads :p.


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