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[Raio]

entertain DEVS pls

- insane dmg at ALL RANGES (is it long range or close combat weapon ?)
- unveted Fgs eating Brens vet2-3 (BCs restrainted to cover inf.)
- .. ?

 pls, do not support blobs, thx

http://www.filefront.com/14040227/fun.rar
 (this game we did mistakes with capping and Mgs, but this axis "tactitc" is still maring quality of the game)

[Draken]

FG42 rapes but in noob hands it sux. I don't find it OP in anyway since, any kind of armour rapes fals.

[Raio]

Draken, did u fight em w Comanods, rangers or veted Brens or grenades ?
 (this replay IS prof, Fgs in noob hands = rape)

[Blitzen]

Welcome to fighting commandos...  Were you fighting a pe player?  If so, he probly has doc buffs on his falls.  I know with my blitz account, my falls only fight unupgraded rifles/tommies.

[Draken]

Draken, did u fight em w Comanods, rangers or veted Brens or grenades ?

Yes commandos dies to fg42 in 1v1, I find best counter for falls + supression, or any kind of armored vechicle (staghound rapes fals).

[Raio]

i didnt saw ANY inf. killin Fgs in 1x1. (even unveted fg)
Did anybody ?

[Baine]

i didnt saw ANY inf. killin Fgs in 1x1. (even unveted fg)
Did anybody ?

AT rifles before the patch.

[bristiler]

I take them on 2v2 with bar squads and ussually (not always) come out on top

[Mgallun74]

meh, they aint that good, i mean the FG42 is good weapon, seems if you can get close to them they die easy, had 1 ranger squad and 1 bar squad rape 2 falls with fg42s..   seems they are more potent with more support, but if alone they fail alot.. but thats just what i have run into.

[velo78]

there the olny weps that counter allied elite inf....so keep them as is.

[pernik]

counter? more like "rape allied elite inf"... but whatever man, it just hurts when Axis (well Wehr) got so much variety in their army which was unused and the game was just blobbed :/

[Hydro]

counter? more like "rape allied elite inf"... but whatever man, it just hurts when Axis (well Wehr) got so much variety in their army which was unused and the game was just blobbed :/

I always thought that allie elite inf can run out from mg using motivation, when falls haven't it.....
And it's not like vet 3 pgrens where on vet 3 behind heavy cover can kill mg facing it (they have mobile cover bonus)

Another thing about insane dmg at all range

with vet 20%+10% from kurt's finest+20% from crete's vet
dmg 15% from crete+20 or 15 I can't remember (nice thing on panzerfausts)

So it's not question of weapon, but bonus from doctrine

[Mysthalin]

I always thought the allied HMG tickled, rather than did anything useful.

[Hydro]

I always thought the allied HMG tickled, rather than did anything useful.

but they still suppress like bars

[VictorTarget]

Allied HMG does very reasonable damage.  Axis HMG suppresses. 

Don't get the two confused, but watch them in comparison to each other, and you'll see what I mean.  It's actually quite interesting.

Falls....best to use a croc. If nothing else, you get to laugh at the screaming, running, burning soon-to-be-corpses.

[jackmccrack]

Elite Infantry often requires combined arms to deal with, old news.

[Raio]

i just cant understeand how can Fg no vet totaly OWN VET2-3  brens

[Aggamemnon]

They don't.

2 squads getting out a transport at close range might though. Seen that happen.

Loads of times it can go either way though. Depends on range and who tries to approach who, or if one set is transported.

[Detrian]

i just cant understeand how can Fg no vet totaly OWN VET2-3  brens

Probably because you ran up to them in the open? While they were in green cover? With close combat weapons and ambush bonus? And when your brens were not veterans at all? And your brens were really hurt as well?



I think these are all exciting possibilities we must consider.

[Raio]

Detrian, its not that action, those Brens arent veted and they r runin bad.
My veted brens was smashed mainly in game against Draken and PAK88.
this replay shows the "power" of easy blobs.

if devs think FGs r ok, then np.