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Mysthalin Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2009, 02:59:48 pm »

the ATG kept firing at you as you were with main gun destroyed, actualy - so it didn't die.

The sappers had 3 penetrating shots on the tiger, one at 5 HP. The two ones that did penetrate did roughly 1/5-1/4th damage - 210-260 health, which is pretty standard, and should have been expected. It wasn't even with the ambush bonus.


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SaintPauli Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2009, 03:33:37 pm »

Quote from: aloha622 on August 11, 2009, 11:16:35 am

the dmg buffs need to be removed (1 solvo from ambush piats = 55% HP skirted p4.)

It's 72%...


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Malevolence Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2009, 03:55:20 pm »

Ignoring damage for a moment, something interesting I noticed is that PIATs do not get reduced penetration from armored skirts. What gives?


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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2009, 04:04:45 pm »

Quote from: Malevolence on August 11, 2009, 03:55:20 pm

Ignoring damage for a moment, something interesting I noticed is that PIATs do not get reduced penetration from armored skirts. What gives?

Good question. Im not quite sure but I think relic did this intentionally?
On second thought: Considering how PIATS work it feels kinda ok to me that they arent affected by skirts. (Move PIATS behind a tank and youll score less rear amor hits than normal Tongue

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AmPM

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2009, 05:17:29 pm »

That video is hilarious, you deserved to lose it.


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EliteGren Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2009, 05:24:27 pm »

lmao.
You should play the vcoh tank tutorial again.


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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2009, 05:28:06 pm »

wow THAT is what you are complaining about?


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gamesguy2 Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2009, 08:59:52 pm »

Sappers cost 100 munitions, is widely available, and one volley in ambush takes away 430hp from a P4, and it can sit there cloaked forever.

Thats really balanced.


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AmPM

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2009, 09:08:30 pm »

Gamesguy, you forget yourself, you've said many times that PIATs have a hard time hitting anything! zomg!


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gamesguy2 Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2009, 09:10:05 pm »

Quote from: AmPM on August 11, 2009, 09:08:30 pm

Gamesguy, you forget yourself, you've said many times that PIATs have a hard time hitting anything! zomg!

Against light vehicles traveling at long range, sure.

How are you supposed to dodge piats when they are invisible? You have to see them coming to dodge them.

Piats do a ton of damage, is very cheap, and can fire through buildings, those advantages makes up for its inability to hit fast moving vehicles. It just doesn't need ambush. And Brits have button for a reason.


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AmPM

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2009, 09:11:46 pm »

Then how about this for an idea, use scouts? You know, like you do when you expect to run into Stormtroopers or FJ.


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gamesguy2 Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2009, 09:21:37 pm »

Quote from: AmPM on August 11, 2009, 09:11:46 pm

Then how about this for an idea, use scouts? You know, like you do when you expect to run into Stormtroopers or FJ.

Hahaha thats a good one.

Ya like jeeps actually find storms.


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spinn72 Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2009, 10:01:32 pm »

Up the timer for Piat ambush i think. Right now 60 second recharge lets you do it any time you're in cover. Perhaps a doctrine ability could then bring it down, say in artillery doctrine or something.


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CafeMilani Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2009, 10:07:58 pm »

Quote from: AmPM on August 11, 2009, 09:11:46 pm

Then how about this for an idea, use scouts? You know, like you do when you expect to run into Stormtroopers or FJ.

its the same if somebody would ask: i cant kill a KT, what shall i do?
answer: bring AT! =)

stop these comments, nobody needs this tbh.


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Aggamemnon Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2009, 10:26:19 pm »

Sure, then add timers to ALL cloak and ambush abilities. nice. Grin


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AmPM

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2009, 11:01:25 pm »

Quote from: aloha622 on August 11, 2009, 10:07:58 pm

Quote from: AmPM on August 11, 2009, 09:11:46 pm

Then how about this for an idea, use scouts? You know, like you do when you expect to run into Stormtroopers or FJ.

its the same if somebody would ask: i cant kill a KT, what shall i do?
answer: bring AT! =)

stop these comments, nobody needs this tbh.

Did I ever say the KT was overpowered? I love killing KTs.


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Mysthalin Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2009, 01:53:57 am »

Quote from: aloha622 on August 11, 2009, 10:07:58 pm

Quote from: AmPM on August 11, 2009, 09:11:46 pm

Then how about this for an idea, use scouts? You know, like you do when you expect to run into Stormtroopers or FJ.

its the same if somebody would ask: i cant kill a KT, what shall i do?
answer: bring AT! =)

stop these comments, nobody needs this tbh.

Can you stop YOUR comments? Nobody needs you, tbh.


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LuAn

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2009, 06:43:16 am »

We had a similiar thread here

Quote from: Mysthalin on July 14, 2009, 12:05:15 pm

This whole thread is made of fail, tbh.


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Sharpshooter824 Offline

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Re: sapper piat amush

« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2009, 07:21:08 am »

How often do you actually have PIATs hit, AND penetrate a tank passing by in cloak with PIAT sappers I mean honestly, most of the time they miss and when they do hit they rarely penetrate.