LeoPhone
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2009, 10:23:33 am » |
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the croc is too fast (it got away while i used blitzkrieg assault together with lighting war)
and its only 12 pop, while it makes all your infantry based AT useless. (it roasts paks too btw)
no more speed buffs for it, and increase population.
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AmPM
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2009, 10:57:49 am » |
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Actually Leophone, your idea would be great on the Jadg. It also roasts ATGs, kills all infantry, kills off tanks, and is insanely fast. Its only 4 pop more and extremely good with its T4 and doctrine buffs. Obviously OP and in need of a heavy nerf.
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2009, 11:02:54 am » |
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The speed thing is a t4 ability that has uses i think.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2009, 11:33:37 am » |
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all t4s suck. they ruin the game, nothing makes sense.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2009, 11:52:53 am » |
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Good god leo, you're becoming another aloha -.-
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2009, 12:44:22 pm » |
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Croc is 3.75 base speed. 4.25 with the T1.
Comparison : Tiger is 4.
Is that "quite fast" to you?
With the T4 on top of the T1 it's 7.65 speed. Comparison : tetrarch is 8.
On the most likely event of the pak starting to fire at the croc at 45 range(the pak's sight range), the croc will take 11 seconds to get into point blank range of the pak without using the T4.
0.3 seconds for first shot.
3.7 seconds for each other shot.
so in those 11 seconds, it'll be 4 shots, not just 3.
With the T4 being used, it'll take 6 seconds for the croc to get to the pak. Still, 2 shots taken minimum.
So he's not telling anyone shit, and you are indeed stirring up shit again, aloha. The experiment of letting you back into balance discussions has clearly failed - akra, could you please save us all from this terror again?
its uber frast for me tbh, especially the rotation speed. only 12 pop makes it the perfect unit for the core. |
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2009, 01:00:37 pm » |
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croc is shit its main gun is the flamethrower, so u cant target specific tanks unless ur tryna melt them.
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2009, 01:03:54 pm » |
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croc is shit its main gun is the flamethrower, so u cant target specific tanks unless ur tryna melt them.
true but it target automatically tanks. the flamethrower kills inf in the meanwhile |
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2009, 01:44:57 pm » |
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croc is shit its main gun is the flamethrower, so u cant target specific tanks unless ur tryna melt them.
true but it target automatically tanks. the flamethrower kills inf in the meanwhile im sure relic changed that in a patch, i read the release notes myselve. did they changed it again? |
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AmPM
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2009, 01:47:33 pm » |
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The "main gun" will target according to its priority, the flamethrower shoots what you tell it to.
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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2009, 01:50:52 pm » |
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croc is shit its main gun is the flamethrower, so u cant target specific tanks unless ur tryna melt them.
true but it target automatically tanks. the flamethrower kills inf in the meanwhile yeh and it will turn its body while i get rear armour shot, n1 |
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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2009, 02:19:32 pm » |
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croc is shit its main gun is the flamethrower, so u cant target specific tanks unless ur tryna melt them.
true but it target automatically tanks. the flamethrower kills inf in the meanwhile yeh and it will turn its body while i get rear armour shot, n1 so does a hetzer, stug and jagd except they turn and misshoot |
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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2009, 02:25:56 pm » |
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Except the Hetzer, STuG, Jadg, all prioritize tanks over infantry. Meaning they face the target you want them facing most of the time.
With the Croc it turns to face infantry and leaves its side/rear to be shot at by tanks.
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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2009, 02:27:42 pm » |
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Except the Hetzer, STuG, Jadg, all prioritize tanks over infantry. Meaning they face the target you want them facing most of the time.
With the Croc it turns to face infantry and leaves its side/rear to be shot at by tanks.
oh i forgot that it turns itself at inf when your not watching. typically the inf burn so fast its not a problem anyways |
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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2009, 03:01:55 pm » |
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so we are complaining that the croc is OP when it has a T1 and a T4 invested into it? Now lets compare this super croc to oh say the super jagds and hetzers that are out there right now. you wont see more then 2 crocs from what im reading, and whats going to do better 2 crocs or 2 jadgs? or 4 hetzers?
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« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2009, 03:10:11 pm » |
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so we are complaining that the croc is OP when it has a T1 and a T4 invested into it? Now lets compare this super croc to oh say the super jagds and hetzers that are out there right now. you wont see more then 2 crocs from what im reading, and whats going to do better 2 crocs or 2 jadgs? or 4 hetzers?
its fucking OPed without any buffs on it |
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« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2009, 03:23:57 pm » |
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its not OP, it just needs its fuel price raised. no big deal. either way it sucks against tanks so whats the big deal if you need a tank to counter it? its not like axis doesn't have a shit load of different tanks to deal with it.
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« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2009, 03:33:49 pm » |
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any type of non man at > Croc
upgunned at's rape these guys, panthers, tigers, well any tank really. just don't try and use any type of infantry or pak's near it and you're fine. I took out 2 in one game and one was vet 3 and the other vet 2.
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"I want proof!"
"I have proof!"
"Whatever, I'm still right"
Dafuq man, don't ask for proof if you'll refuse it if it's not in your favor, logic fallacy for the bloody win.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2009, 03:39:17 pm » |
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it needs +1 POPCAP
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« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2009, 03:44:36 pm » |
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It doesn't need a pop increase. FU would be fine.
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