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[Unkn0wn]

Just a heads up, changes have been applied.
The rest of the patch will be out soon, there'll be a news post about it as usual.

General
 
US

* Smoke Grenades: 10 Mun (From 15 Mun)
* AB Sniper: 580 MP, 220 Mun (From 540 MP, 200 Mun)
* Satchel: 60 Mun (From 90 Mun)
* Sherman Upgun: 60 Mun (From 75)
* M18: 300 MP, 165 F (From 270 MP, 150 F)

* Sherman repair: 50 Mun (From 30 Mun)
* T17 repair: 25 Mun (from 20)
* Pershing repair: 80 Mun (from 60)

* Quad availability to 3/2/2 (From 4/2/2)
* T17 availability to 3/2/3 (From 4/1/3)
* Infantry/Airbourne Hellcat availability to 2/2/2 (From 3/2/2)


Wehr
* Puma: 280 MP, 40 F (From 300 MP, 50 F)
* Flammenwerfer HT: 260 MP, 40 F (From 240 MP, 50 Mun, 30 F)
* Geschutzwagen Rapid Fire Rounds: 60 Mun (From 75)
* Upgunned Puma: 300 MP, 50 F (From 300 MP, 50 Mun, 50 F)
* StuG: 300 MP, 150 F (From 300 MP, 165 F)

* Upgunned Puma repair: 25 Mun (From 20 Mun)
* StuG repair: 30 Mun (From 40)
* Panzer IV repair: 50 Mun (From 40)
* Tiger Repair: 80 Mun (From 60)
* King Tiger repair: 100 Mun (From 80)

* Upgunned Puma availability to 3/2/2 (From 4/2/2)


Brits
* Commando Sniper: 460 MP, 200 Mun (From 500 MP, 160 Mun)
* Commando Mortar: 420 MP, 60 Mun (From 480 MP, 60 Mun)
* Stuart Tank Commander: 25 Mun (From 45)
* Cromwell Tank Commander: 25 Mun (From 45)
* Cromwell CCT Tank Commander: 25 Mun (From 45)

* Cromwell repair: 50 Mun (From 40)
* Churchill Croc repair: 60 Mun (From 40)
* Churchill MK VI repair: 60 Mun (From 40)
* Churchill MK IV repair: 50 Mun (From 40)
* Staghound repair: 30 Mun (From 20)
* Sherman Firefly repair: 50 Mun (From 40)


PE
* Hotchkiss upgun: 60 Mun (From 80 Mun)
* Vet Sergeant: 25 MP (From 40)

* Hotchkiss repair: 25 Mun (From 35)
* Armored Car repair: 25 Mun (From 20)
* 50mm ATHT repair: 25 Mun (From 20)
* Jagdpanther repair: 100 Mun (From 80)

* Hotchkiss availability to 3/1/2 (From 2/1/2)

Enjoy!

P.S Note that these availability changes are just a stop-gap, the new availability system will be out soon.

[Unkn0wn]

Unit Vet Modifier Changes:
(Lower is Slower, Higher is Faster XP gain)

US
Engineers (2.2) - From 2.0
.30 Cal (2.0) - From 1.8
Airbourne (0.6) - From 0.8
Airbourne Heavy MG (1.8 ) - From 1.6
Hellcat (1.2) - From 1.0
57mm (1.5) - From 1.5
Jeep (3.0) - From 2.5
Halftrack (2.5) - From 2.5
Quad (2.0) - From 1.7
M10 (1.6) - From 1.5
Crocodile (1.2) - From 1.0
Calliope (0.5) - From 0.4
American Officer (1.5) - From 2.0

Wehr
MG42 (2.0) - From 1.8
Pioneers (2.2) - From 2.0
Grenadiers (0.8 ) - From 1.0
KCH (0.8 ) - From 0.7
Motorcycle (3.0) - From 2.5
Halftrack (2.5) - From 2.0
Flammenwerfer IHT (2.0) - From 1.8
Puma (1.8 ) - From 1.6
StuG (1.4) - From 1.3
Nebel (1.6) - From 1.7
Geschutzwagen (1.5)
Terror Officer (1.5) - From 2.0

Brits
MG Team (2.0) - From 1.6
Sappers (1.5) - From 1.8
Recon Tommies (1.5) - From 1.4
Tetrarch (1.8 ) - From 1.6
CCT (1.5) - From 1.0
Firefly (0.6) - From 0.4
Commando Jeep (3.0) - From 1.0
Churchill MK IV (1.0) - From 0.8
Churchill MK VI (0.6) - From 0.8

PE
Panzergrenadiers (1.5) - From 1.6
Scout Car (3.0) - From 2.5
Infantry Halftrack (2.5) - From 2.0
Light At Halftrack (2.5) - From 2.0
Hotchkiss (1.8 ) - From 1.0
Hotchkiss Command (1.5)
Hotchkiss Stuka (1.5) - From 1.0

[wildsolus]

sweet nerf to americans

why no munitions for the upgun puma?

[LuAn]

nice one!
Precision changes of Light Vehicles instead of lowering fuel

Btw which vet modifier changes?
FJ Assault -> Cover bonus finally?

[AmPM]

I think the Hellcat avail change is interesting, I'll still buy them hands down over M10's due to the M10 misfire bug never being fixed. Its just not a reliable unit.

[AmPM]

Poor Shermans, upgun price brought down, overall price increased, makes it even worse of a purchase.

[pqumsieh]

lawl; puma price decrease? Should be interesting to see more puma spam; i know i'll be maxing out on them myself. And upgun is too cheap; its more powerful then an M8 yet it cost about 80-90 fewer munitions. I think repairs went up globably to make them less cost effective. Which is fine, but I seriously think the 50 cal upgrade on some tanks/vehicles should go down. M18 and M8 come straight to mind; for a light vehicle the 50 cal is way to expensive, but necissary to give it the AI it needs. No one buys 50 cal on M18 because it might break ambush, so it doesnt matter what the price is tbh.

PQ

[RikiRude]

Don't think sherman needed a repair increase, no way a sherman should cost the same as a P4 to repair. but i guess it's to balance the upgun decrease, which just hurts players who don't use the upgun.

i think the puma upgun lack of munitions is to help deal with light vehicles?

but ill go out on a limb and say US must of needed the nerf since they are doing so good early war???

[AmPM]

Hmmm....time for Blitz super repairs and 6 pumas, 3 flammen, STuGs and Ostwinds? Wonder how many I can fit in....I think I can max out on all of them.

[Unkn0wn]

Don't think sherman needed a repair increase, no way a sherman should cost the same as a P4 to repair.

They're both medium tanks and with the 76mm upgun they stand toe to toe. The unupgunned probably should only cost 40 Munitions to repair but we can't differentiate repair kit prices based on the upgrade.

It's a general across the board price increase on repairs, with the amounts of fuel players have at their disposal we do not feel like they should be able to get a '2nd life' on all those vehicles as well.

why no munitions for the upgun puma?

It's a seperate vehicle now, there's no reason why it should cost munitions anymore.
It's price was brought in line with the M8, for now... further assessment may be necessary.

but ill go out on a limb and say US must of needed the nerf since they are doing so good early war???

I don't think these are real nerfs. The only real nerf is the M18 price, it's the first time we're touching that since it was implemented and I don't think you can argue that the M18 gives you a better bang for your buck (ability to cloak and first strike bonus) compared to the M10.


Further pricetuning will follow either way.

[LuAn]

@Riki:
Tell me if you think those repair prices are balanced:
P4: 50Mun
Cromwell: 40Mun
Sherman: 30Mun

Check this link about the early war

BTW: Churchill MKIV still 40mun repair? Intented or forgotten?

@ PQ:
British Staghound 50cal: 75Mun; Repair: 30Mun
Now whats with that?

[Unkn0wn]

Churchill MKIV still 40mun repair?

Will put it up to 50 right now.

[AmPM]

So with the new prices, with no advantages, I have my Blitz company to try out.

4 STuGs, all upgrades
3 Upgun Puma w/ Repair
3 Puma w/ Repair
2 Ostwinds

Enough Infantry and a ton of support spam to go with it.

And Unknown, if you would FIX the M10's little problem, it would far and away be better than the M18. Why ambush when you can do the same with the M10 by just rolling up and backing off. It penetrates a hell of a lot better anyway and removes the need to use a T4 to cover up the lack of penetration. Then I could just use OBM and kill heavy tanks....I might just do that anyway. Too bad we have to grind up companies to test out this stuff still, since it didn't all get checked in the "testing" phase.

[LuAn]

Mhm you think this gonna be possible with the new system?

[AmPM]

Ucky, I just built that company.

Once I get some resources into it I will pick up more heavy AT by swapping STuGs for Panthers, and then using the leftover fuel for Flammenwerfers. The MP and MU will go towards more PAKs.

[RikiRude]

@Riki:
Tell me if you think those repair prices are balanced:
P4: 50Mun
Cromwell: 40Mun
Sherman: 30Mun

Check this link about the early war

BTW: Churchill MKIV still 40mun repair? Intented or forgotten?

@ PQ:
British Staghound 50cal: 75Mun; Repair: 30Mun
Now whats with that?

I think the cromwell should be less then the sherman, but the sherman should be less then the P4, i feel that sherman repair should of gone up to 40, not 50. i also agree that the hellcat needed to cost a little bit more, and the availability decrease was fine, but i would of enjoyed seeing a .50 price decrease for it and the m8. .50 on the HC should be 25-30MU, also now with upgun puma costing no mu, i feel that there should be a price decrease on m8 skirts, but we will have to see how it works out. how does something go from costing 50mu to 0mu?

either way, it will be good to see more pumas over all on the field.

and yeah upgun puma is specialized, but it will always beat any american light vehicle, is tough to hit, and now i need to get ride of some light vehicles and replace them with MGs with AP rounds, because that's about the most reliable counter to an upgun puma. plus upgun puma is fantastic at sniping infantry, so it doesn't really lose any of its AI ability. I mean if puma upgun is free and it makes it more specialized, then isn't my sherman that i upgun a bit more specialized as well? puma takes about as big of a hit to AI power as sherman does with an upgun, which isn't too big of a difference.

[Baine]

So with the new prices, with no advantages, I have my Blitz company to try out.

4 STuGs, all upgrades
3 Upgun Puma w/ Repair
3 Puma w/ Repair
2 Ostwinds

Enough Infantry and a ton of support spam to go with it.

Feel free to post replays of this company in action. Even teams please.

[AmPM]

Will do, once I unlock some doctrine abilities it should be fun stuff.

[Unkn0wn]

and yeah upgun puma is specialized, but it will always beat any american light vehicle, is tough to hit

On this subject, all light vehicles are getting their 'received accuracy' vet 1 bonus swapped to 'received damage' in the new vet list. This vet list will be going in ASAP. (Modifier changes were part 1)

I mean if puma upgun is free and it makes it more specialized, then isn't my sherman that i upgun a bit more specialized as well? puma takes about as big of a hit to AI power as sherman does with an upgun, which isn't too big of a difference.

The puma upgun makes the puma a lot worse against infantry. I don't think a comparison with the Sherman 76mm is in order.

Anyway, we will be monitoring the puma closely, don't worry about it.
Things are easily 'hotfixed' when it comes to pricing issues. For now however I'm not convinced there's an actual issue in the first place.

[Baine]

Was the Officer supervise fixed in this patch?