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[AmPM]

Really? My schreks continue to perform their job as defensive AT just fine.

[Illegal_Carrot]

Really? My schreks continue to perform their job as defensive AT just fine.

I've continually gotten better results out of any other form of AT. Schrecks always get kited, pushed/run over, suppressed (mainly by Churchills), swarmed by inf pushes, or killed too quickly (and you cannot re-man like PaKs). PaKs (and vehicle bases AT) don't have as many downsides a Schrecks due to their longer range, higher accuracy, better armor/health, etc. Hell, now PaKs are even cheaper than Schrecks.

[Freek]

They have a considerable MP cost...

[Tymathee]

how about supporting your schreks with AI and other AT rather than sitting them alone? Use houses? Green Cover? hmg + gren schreck + mortar + pak = handle all comers....that is until artillery comes raining from the sky

[gamesguy2]

how about supporting your schreks with AI and other AT rather than sitting them alone? Use houses? Green Cover? hmg + gren schreck + mortar + pak = handle all comers....that is until artillery comes raining from the sky

Against HMG+gren shrek+mortar+pak I would rush it with two quads and kill everything.

Two staghounds or T17s also work.

[Illegal_Carrot]

They have a considerable MP cost...

There +140MP cost of the PaK is balanced by the +20Mu (+40 if you take Medkits), +1 Pop, and Infantry pool selection of the Grens.

how about supporting your schreks with AI

Proper AI support is not always possible, or enough to stop an enemy push from rushing/killing a single Gren squad, if you're enemy's determined to take that squad out. For the reasons I mentioned above, a PaK does not have to worry about this, and so is a much more 'safer' and 'stable' AT unit.

Use houses? Green Cover?

Sticking Schrecks in one location and leaving them there just makes them easier to kite/escape/avoid. The PaK's longer range/higher accuracy means that it's much harder to kite or escape, and its Cloak means that the enemy won't know where to expect it.
PaKs do way more damage, too.

hmg + gren schreck + mortar + pak

2+ light vehicles will own this (though I suppose light vehicle spam/rushes will own most things). Two PaKs can at least semi-reliably cover each other to protect form circling, where as Schrecks are  unreliable for even that.

[IIPraeToriaNII]

shrecks suck at the price they are at.....
i use zero shrecks......
i would prefer 2 of anything the allies use.....

[VERTIGGO]

I think I said it before, but I'll say it again.

In vanilla CoH, PIATs cost 37.5 each, schrecks 75, and RRs 62.5 (each).

Now because of all the whining, PIATs are 55, RRs 90, and schrecks 140.

There was a reason Relic's prices haven't changed in years. They were balanced. EIRR is different, but not different enough to double just the schreck and barely change the allied weapons.

All I say, is adjust them to align with the original prices, since the schreck definitely isn't worth twice as much as it used to be.

[Mgallun74]

I think I said it before, but I'll say it again.

In vanilla CoH, PIATs cost 32.5 each, schrecks 75, and RRs 75 (each).

Now because of all the whining, PIATs are 55, RRs 90, and schrecks 140.

There was a reason Relic's prices haven't changed in years. They were balanced. EIRR is different, but not different enough to double just the schreck and barely change the allied weapons.

All I say, is adjust them to align with the original prices, since the schreck definitely isn't worth twice as much as it used to be.

so, you think shreks should be 75mun now?

[Draken]

Bars and stickies should be globar upgrade then like in vcoh, ofcourse for vcoh price. 

Seriously after being 2 years in this community I'm loosing my faith in humanity.

There is no sense in even trying to argue in balance threads...

They just prove which fraction has more fanboys.

[Armfelt]

Ak47... for everyone! *But in this case schrecks and zooks?*

I still think it is quite balanced with the pricing of handheld AT.. AT infantry shouldn´t be used as blobbing against vehicles, they shall be rear support. Axis got tons of other AT weapons. I think it is too much vehicles and tanks on the map on the other hand.

[Killer344]

When everything else fails and hope is lost, spam goliaths and mines.

[VERTIGGO]

so, you think shreks should be 75mun now?

If you're asking, that's not what I said. Adjusting to return to Relic's prices would be 75 for PIAT package, 125 for RR package and 75 for schreck package. We've come a long way, and HHAT is more expensive due to other units' prices, so it would look more like 110 for PIATs 120 for one schreck and 180-200 for RRs. That's still giving the RRs and PIATs a discount, but it's closer to balanced.

[Mr.Gunny]

IMO, Schrecks no longer cut it in any quantity. Marder+50mm call ins are by far the better choice in almost all circumstances for PE. I still hold on to 2 double TB call ins for some additional capping power in my AT section, but they are more an after thought then anything else. Wehrmacht have it even worse with +20 munis to the cost. RRs oth are by far the best HHAT in the game right now, next to possibly PIATs. Mass blobs of RRs have driven me to redesign my company into a more typical G43 spam and has greatly reduced the variety of units in my company.

[VERTIGGO]

Just wondering, because this issue is probably one of the biggest and most talked about since the beginning, what are the devs opinions, and are we going to see fixes or do they just like it this way?

Was the schreck price an intentional handicap to axis players or just the result of one sided complaints?

[gamesguy2]

so, you think shreks should be 75mun now?

If you're asking, that's not what I said. Adjusting to return to Relic's prices would be 75 for PIAT package, 125 for RR package and 75 for schreck package. We've come a long way, and HHAT is more expensive due to other units' prices, so it would look more like 110 for PIATs 120 for one schreck and 180-200 for RRs. That's still giving the RRs and PIATs a discount, but it's closer to balanced.

Relic RR prices are based on vet 3 skirts.

That being said, Piats are not as adversely affected by skirts, so shrek price should probably match piat price.

[Killer344]

Schrecks shouldn't be more expensive than Paks tbh.. there are no reasons to take schrecks over Paks..

[VERTIGGO]

Schrecks shouldn't be more expensive than Paks tbh.. there are no reasons to take schrecks over Paks..

Honestly the PaK prices are totally fabricated, since Relic doesn't ever charge mun for crewed weapons; it's only based on our own experiences and complaint levels. However, you're totally right, weapon for weapon, the schreck is far less effective.

[AmPM]

That actually is a lie.

Schreks are still very effective highly mobile AT. The PAK is a good weapon as part of a line, but needs the schrek to back it up. In urban fighting again the schrek is much better than the PAKs narrow cone of fire.

[gamesguy2]

That actually is a lie.

Schreks are still very effective highly mobile AT. The PAK is a good weapon as part of a line, but needs the schrek to back it up. In urban fighting again the schrek is much better than the PAKs narrow cone of fire.

Note that AMPM is currently playing armor company.