EIRR Vet - Infantry

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[Smokaz]

With AP rounds the low health high price high armor german tanks get owned.. and for cost, all of them can be considered to have fairly low health.

[Killer344]

Will it be toned down enough that its worthless to buy so we spend all our SP on offmap and advantage spam?

The SP costs are going to be toned down as well...

[AmPM]

So more reason to just suicide units for the in game win rather than try and keep them alive.

Cool, may as well kill the rest of the persistence and any consequence for any actions. It already doesn't matter if you win or lose, why should it matter if you can keep units alive?

[Mysthalin]

Goddamit, the current vet is BORKED AmPM.
A non-vetted unit gets utterly raped by the unit it's SUPPOSED TO HARD-COUNTER if said unit has vet 3.
That is not persistency or consequence of actions - it's pure bugs that need to be fixed.

Vet should be nice - not fix stupid.

[AmPM]

I've never lost a "hard counter" due to vet bonuses, my HMGs seem to suppress vet3 infantry about as well as vet0, and tank vet doesn't save them either.

What screws everything up are retarded doctrine abilities, thats where most of the counters get screwed.

Tank Shock, Flank Speed on Sherms and Churches, AP rounds to a degree, OBM, etc. There are a ton of borked abilities that make units far far better by covering up their weak spots.

Vet 3 Infantry should mow down vet 0 infantry, vet 3 vehicles should kill vet 0 vehicles.

Standard Panther vs Vet3 Sherman being an example, it takes a bit of effort to get the Sherm to vet 3, its just retarded stuff like Sherman Flank Speed that lets people run in, shoot, and run away at low health by hitting that and OBM.

[Mysthalin]

I find it interesting you only list doctrine abilities from the allied trees as being OP or borked...

What about stuff like zeal?

As for vet 3 sherm vs panther - no matter the effort it took to get a vet 3 sherman, it is still not right that it should ever win vs it's hard-counter. It's like back in vEiR where KCH could just charge through 5 .30 cals due to their vet 3.

[AmPM]

I haven't really run into trouble with Zeal, so didn't put it down, if its an issue so be it.

I could probably list off half the doctrine abilities as either over the top or worthless, so we can go on about that all day.

I just listed ones I have personally used or experienced close up.

[Sharpshooter824]

Mysthalin, AT guns are a hard counter and I see them die to flanking tanks, just because a unit is a hard counter doesn't guarantee it will destroy what it counters every single time, especially with no thought involved..

It is a bit crazy that a Vet 3 sherman with all the armor doc abilities can kill a panther but it is an entire doctrine buffing a vet 3 unit so it is going to be pretty powerful..

does anybody know if a vet 3 P4 with the most powerful tank doctrine buffs of wehr from whatever doctrine has those can beat a pershing by any chance?



By the way mysthalin im not flaming you or anything im just putting some facts on the table so..

[Tymathee]

I've never seen a vet 3 sherman beat a vet 0 panther straight up unless that sherman has upgun but if that panther has skirts, its over for the sherman no matter what unless its pimped out from doc abilities

[AmPM]

Sharpshooter, a P4 stands no chance vs a Pershing, no matter its vet level.

Similar to a single Sherman vs a Tiger.

Remember, the Panther isn't really a heavy tank.

[Tymathee]

I'll get to support weapons and light vehicles tomorrow. Not feelin like it atm.

[RikiRude]

Sharpshooter, a P4 stands no chance vs a Pershing, no matter its vet level.

Similar to a single Sherman vs a Tiger.

Remember, the Panther isn't really a heavy tank.

What he meant was a vet 3 P4 with say, long barrels and HEAT rounds or a german steel P4 can take on a pershing? either way im sure the answer is no.

[Baine]

By the way mysthalin im not flaming you or anything im just putting some facts on the table so..

Well you may inform yourself better before you post then, because most of your "facts" are not true.

[Mysthalin]

Well, duh, a tetrarch can beat a tiger with a little bit of micro, but what I meant was a slugfest, not a battle of micro.