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[GeneralGlacko]

Fix Defensive, fausts and PE infantry in general.

[Tymathee]

I agree,  make the upgun sherman a differant tank like the upgun Puma is, and make it cost a bit more MP and Fuel than the regular sherman.

I would have to agree with this. Making the Sherman a separate unit would be great. In fact, any vehicle or tank that gets a totally different gun when you upgrade it should have a separate unit and only cost MP and Fuel like any other tank. This includes the hotchkiss upgun as well.

So here's my balance suggestions

US
1. Change Def Ops to make Engineers be able to build defenses faster like in vcoh
2. Lower price of M18 .50 cal.
3. Change pop on m10 to 8 or 9 to differentiate from m18.
4. Change rcv dmg/acc on Vet 1 airborne to .85 like all infantry & special infantry.
5. Make allied officer abilities passive, and an off map for click ability and also give it scaling ability vet like brit officers (can be same for all)
CW
Can't think of anything.

WM
1. Take away damage penalty Sherman gun/upgun/firefly gets vs All skirts (only tank that gets that modifier)
2. Up Puma upgun acc vs light vehicles to make it the hard counter vs allied light vehicles
(allied light vehicles>Puma, upgun puma>allied light vehicles)

PE
Can't think of anything right now.

I'll come back and edit the CW and PE later.

[Ununoctium]

I agree,  make the upgun sherman a differant tank like the upgun Puma is, and make it cost a bit more MP and Fuel than the regular sherman.

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[BeRzErKeR]

What I think needs balancing is Vet.

[Killer344]

Please, Do not troll in this thread.

[gamesguy2]

Terror doctrine, T17, certain offmaps like the 105 vs firestorm, PE infantry, (should be cheaper IMO), hunter killer, and wehr's AT weakness vs light vehicles outside of terror doctrine.

[puddin]

there are certain units that might need some changes but in all honesty, for the year or 2 i have been around ere in EIRR, this is what i see. 

The geneneral game is balenced.  If you take unvetted companies and decide to play and build a decent company, there are some good counters you can employ but it is if you have the right counters availible. 

Such as a T-17 being able to be nailed by ostwinds and penetrated often as long as 1 shot with something else, a t-17 is null and void. 

THe Doctrines i find to be more the Issues.  The 1 Axis HEavy tank per company would be pretty shit vs a Single Tank reaper company being able to hold the tank at bay with 2 AP round ATGs...    PLus Heavy Tanks are still very vullnerable to Stikies, Stun, Button, and many things that can make a heavy tank useless while it gets pummelled. 

Such as 2-3 RCA players vs 2-3 Terror players would be WTF?  With Captain On maps and off maps it would cause havack or Blitz players vs Rangers without reapers is just disgusting, or armor players with Onboard ves anything means you fight the tank 3 times almost making the armor god like in most cases. 

While the Doctrines are superb, ITs the fact that in all honesty, you can have One doctrin and a company, do pretty fail vs another build no matter the skill of the player.  I have seen it happen more than a few times. 

I think Vet should be reworked for individual units to give them more flavor.  Such as Stuh vet, Giving lightly better splash, OR stuart vet giving more pellets for canister, or Captain vet for faster movment, or american officer vet faster movement to keep pace with the infantry, Look at the tanks individually and how they are used, such as M-10s with faster turrent rotation for better circle strafing and maybe better accelleration. 

Personally, i think the vet tables could make all the difference...  And as long as allied armor vet is better then Next gen vehicles... Then Next gen is useless. 

German engineering should be changed, Either 100% movement or 100% firing rate but imobile.  One or the other.  Doing both half assed is not that help full.  Or with a destroyed engine... Moving at 50% speed is being imobile for the most part or even a dmged one. 

The abundency of offmaps is still disgusting.  No oen really enjoys working hard to vet up a unit, workign hard to keep it alive, and care only abotu 2-3 units in a company and still play hard enough to win, or leave a unit in when they know they should remove it, Only to have it Off mapped and die and have no way to avoid it, You can run, But a lag spike and boom, canlt run fast Enough. 

Creeping barrage is devistating, Should be a deley inbetween sheel shots, as when you run, you have about a 1 in 8 chance to pick the way its being fired, and then your fucked, even while retreating. 

I think Certain units shoudl have no retreating defensises, especially units used beind enemy lines often.  I think Storms, should only get a speed buff along with airborne and Luftwaffa s many times they are dropped in, wreak havock and run away, well they should pay the price for it and not keep the vet if they are not goign to fight.

[GeneralGlacko]

Hotchkiss Stuka
Give it a pop decrease and fuel decrease/damage increase or timer cooldown.
It's a horrible arty piece atm.
Raise the vehicle pool on PE.

[Smokaz]

German engineering and the HC stuka, both agreed. They need to be changed/improved. How is it beneficial for the p4 to be firing at half speed if it has engine damage? It needs to gtfo, not be outranged by some 57mm chasing it or rr's nailing it down because it has .. half speed of engine damage? A lobster in a wheelchair crusing backwards with squeaky training wheels could catch up to it. And the HC stuka is just so unreliable, even when it hits it can end up doing little damage. It should have 67% the reload time of the regular stuka, seeing as how it has 4 rockets and not 6.

[Todlichpanther3]

smokaz im not sure if comparing it to regular stuka is a good
 idea. Stukas arnt actually considered good by most people.

Though i do agree, PE vehicle pool needs about 6 more imo.

[Mukip]

I'd like to see the PE infantry and vehicle pool increased slighty too.  I run a fairly balanced company in my view and yet I have to pay 2 pp after every game to replace stuff.  I have inf, support and vehicle pools all down to 0 and armour down to 4 so I have a wide range of different units I'm not spamming, yet I'm paying pp's. 

Commando Piats should be 2 pool pop instead of 3.  Sappers are only 2 so Commando Piats shpould be too, they aren't really better than Sappers they're just different. 

[Todlichpanther3]

they are better imo, but due to being a doctrinal unit, thats acceptable.

[puddin]

Commando piats are a 3 man squad... Not that devistating to be honest....

[Tymathee]

well, i would have to kinda gree. commando piats are a 3 man and sappers 4 man, commando piats already cost a bit much as is, but i think commando's are  a 3 pool.

btw, the pool thingis the best idea you've come up with eirr mod, cudos.

[Piotrskivich]

Please improve goliath vet, as it is it's not even worth vetting them up.

[bbsmith]

Commando Piats don't have PIAT ambush.

[MonthlyMayhem]

I'd like to see stormies only being able to cloak in cover and not able to move while cloaked.

[bbsmith]

Some people might conciser that blasphemy.

[CrazyWR]

probably the same people that considered it  blasphemy with regards to paks.

[Blitzen]

I would like to see AT guns miss every shot.
However, not everything we would like to see is balance or even makes sense.
Stormies are situational and expensive and have no 'oh shit' buttons.