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[anthony210]

Do you think Strafing Run should have smoke and a short delay of 1-2 seconds?

Keep it on topic please, this is not a discussion about stormtroopers or any other axis infantry. 

[Piotrskivich]

All I know is that full health vet 2 grens have to go home if I don't look at the edges of the map all the time to make sure white silhouettes are not appearing.

[wildsolus]

NO

[Demon767]

YES

[Akranadas]

Strafing Run is getting Smoke, and Strafing run comes in at an Increased delay of .9 Seconds

[fallensoldier7]

Strafes aren't like every other off-map.  Things like the 105 off-map, precision strike, and firestorm can be used against stationary units.  They wreak a ton of damage in a large radius.  The strafe is highly concentrated firepower on at most 2 squads of infantry vs nonblobbers.  It doesn't shoot in a circle or a radius but it shoots in a short line.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I mainly use my strafes as a way to save my AB if they get caught without anti-infantry support and there are mp44 storms or kch coming at the.  I also use it to kill snipers.  Most of the time when I use it, the infantry is moving so the speed of the strafe is necessary.  If it had a few seconds delay then it would be useless.  By the time the plane arrives the infantry will have moved too far.

So, no, don't increase the delay.  If you increase the delay, you're eliminating one of the main advantages of strafe: being able to use it against moving infantry.

[anthony210]

Are you being serious Akranadas?

Fallen: Adding a 1 second delay and smoke isnt gonna make it useless.  It will just give people a split second to try to dodge it.  As it is right now it insta gibs infantry with zero chance to dodge unless the player using the strafing run messes it up.  I still dont understand what makes strafing run so special that it deserves to be the only off map that currently cannot be dodged.

It is just like every other off map.  Its an off the map ability used to kill units which is just like every other off map.  Except this one is only good against infantry.

[Akranadas]

Yes, I am serious. Sorry for typo

[panzerman]

or at least give it a short warning like precision strike cause it would feel  cheap if u loose vet 2 or 3 stormies 2 a strafe.

[spinn72]

its a good idea akrandas as most players will try to counter airborne infantry with blobs of their own which usually get strafed, now at least they can dodge strafing run instead of it being a 100% hit all the time.

[anthony210]

Yes, I am serious. Sorry for typo

Awsome then.  This is all I was asking for.  Whens the patch coming out? =)

[Killer344]

Soon™.

[Akranadas]

Yes, I am serious. Sorry for typo

Awsome then.  This is all I was asking for.  Whens the patch coming out? =)

I want to have everything ready by mid next week so we can roll it out on the following weekend. We're just putting a bit more into this patch then a normal one.

[TheYaxisOfEvil]

The smoke is fine..but the main problem i see with this is the delay...The larger the map..and the angle of the strike already adds to the delay.   On a 2v2 map...maybe a delay would be useful..but a map any bigger..and its just harder and harder to hit a moving target

[Sharpshooter824]

I dont see why you guys cant release what you have now and then finish up the reest in another patch lol..

[sgMisten]

The same reason why you don't release a house for sale without the roof.

[Groundfire]

great. Added delay and smoke. I dont really see a way to hit moving infantry blobs now.

Strafe is a precision weapon. No splash damage, and map dependent, its gonna now be as useful as precision strike. (which i think should have no drift)

[anthony210]

I cant believe you guys as making a big deal over a 0.9 second delay...

That is nothing.  It will still be deadly and nearly impossible to dodge.  All this is going to add is a small chance to dodge it.  It is still going to be just as usefull.

[Groundfire]

and i cant believe that you dont realize how 1 second makes all the difference in terms of offmap delay.

Of course i will try it cause i trust the devs, and believe they have tested this well enough that it will still have some use, but I have also played long enough to know how much a warning and an added delay can make an offmap useless.

vCoH 2.1-2.4 firestorm and Howitzer shot went through stages like this. Firestorm used to have a 5 second delay, and it was useless. Tune the damage and make it a 3 second delay and you got what we have today, and its pretty good.

That is a 2 second difference, and strafe is even more picky than firestorm because instead of ploping the smoke on a blob, you have to predict the movement of the units and aim the strafe along the projected path.

Every second added is a second that the unit can walk out of the death box and completely avoid the strafe. There's no damage, only suppression. Either your inside the box when the bullets come down, or you get out scot free.

With these changes, I will never get hit by a strafe again because every time I see smoke and I know im playing an airborne player, I just change my pathing to a perpendicular path to what I was traveling before, and I would be outside of the deathbox in less than a second.

It will be so easy to dodge if you know its comming.

[anthony210]

and i cant believe that you dont realize how 1 second makes all the difference in terms of offmap delay.

Of course i will try it cause i trust the devs, and believe they have tested this well enough that it will still have some use, but I have also played long enough to know how much a warning and an added delay can make an offmap useless.

vCoH 2.1-2.4 firestorm and Howitzer shot went through stages like this. Firestorm used to have a 5 second delay, and it was useless. Tune the damage and make it a 3 second delay and you got what we have today, and its pretty good.

That is a 2 second difference, and strafe is even more picky than firestorm because instead of ploping the smoke on a blob, you have to predict the movement of the units and aim the strafe along the projected path.

Every second added is a second that the unit can walk out of the death box and completely avoid the strafe. There's no damage, only suppression. Either your inside the box when the bullets come down, or you get out scot free.

With these changes, I will never get hit by a strafe again because every time I see smoke and I know im playing an airborne player, I just change my pathing to a perpendicular path to what I was traveling before, and I would be outside of the deathbox in less than a second.

It will be so easy to dodge if you know its comming.

By your argument every off map is useless since they all have delays.  Except of course strafing run which would be the only usefull off map.  

Heres how it will work.  You see infantry blob stationary or a couple squads stationary.  Use your strafing run.  it will still work as intended and you will probably force some if not all of the squads off the map or destroy them outright.  Sounds almost exactly the same as before...  Except now I might have 1 second to try to avoid it.