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EliteGren Offline
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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2010, 11:11:17 am »

Religion is boring.

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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2010, 11:13:04 am »

Religion of muscle is the only true religion.

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Lai Offline
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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2010, 11:19:11 am »

Religion has pretty much played its role already. Sure, you can use it to control the minds of the poorly educated masses.
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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2010, 11:28:00 am »

Religion HAS been useful to human evolution - particularly to society. At an early stage - we needed it - a set of basic commandements that one has to keep if he wants to have a good afterlife... which coincide with a set of basic commandements you need to make sure the society prospers. Of course, we all know of the crimes religion has commited - but without it, we wouldn't be where we are now : that much is certain.

However, just like the stone axe, and later the bow and arrow - it has outlived it's usefullness. We do not need religion any more. For some people it still gives a sense of hope, lets them cope with death and similar things - but overall it's more or less so un-needed to the majority of the populace.

But, seeing as we're a tolerant society - religion will stay for as long as there's people that still believe in religion. I mean - they're not exactly hurting us by believing.
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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2010, 11:42:01 am »

Religion HAS been useful to human evolution - particularly to society. At an early stage - we needed it - a set of basic commandements that one has to keep if he wants to have a good afterlife... which coincide with a set of basic commandements you need to make sure the society prospers. Of course, we all know of the crimes religion has commited - but without it, we wouldn't be where we are now : that much is certain.

However, just like the stone axe, and later the bow and arrow - it has outlived it's usefullness. We do not need religion any more. For some people it still gives a sense of hope, lets them cope with death and similar things - but overall it's more or less so un-needed to the majority of the populace.

But, seeing as we're a tolerant society - religion will stay for as long as there's people that still believe in religion. I mean - they're not exactly hurting us by believing.


"religion" is a joke tbh, its a set of manmade rules, what I believe in might be considered a religion by some, but what it is is a relationship

but serious myst,obviously you don't believe in religion, but do you believe in a God?

if not, where did earth come from..
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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2010, 11:46:31 am »

I believe in god and luck and destiny.

Religion is only a part of the institution. It's like you want to type a word file on your computer to god, most people use Windows, others use Linux, in the end both will type the same.


LOL pro metaphora.
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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2010, 11:51:20 am »

I don't believe in any religion, and I don't believe in any kind of God. The sheer idea of absolute omnipotence is illogical (could he make a hamburger he couldn't eat? - Homer J. Simpson).

I trust in science, Sharpshooter. I see the proof provided by the scientists - and I know they are right when they say all was formed after the Big Bang. That earth formed from a cluster of dust that started dragging itself together due to gravity. That it was formed the way it is after billions of years of geological activity. We don't yet know what there was before the Big Bang, or why the BB even happened in the first place. But just because we don't know now doesn't mean we won't know in 100 years. I'm patient as far as that goes - other than it being interesting, it's not really life-changing for me to know what there was before the Big Bang occured.
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2010, 11:52:18 am »

religion isn't bad but it need to be the right one

Christianity (and other religions) destroyed the cultural roots of many people

on this note..

Hail Thor, hail Wotan, we fight for a new order
The bastards priests of god will reign no longer
The time is right to fight
See victory or eternal light

Your young blood cry for war, let the battle begin
Burn the cross and smash the fools, we will win
Their holy book is just a book of lies
The spirit of our ancestors will never die

 Cheesy
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2010, 12:09:39 pm »

Religion is for weak minds.

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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2010, 12:11:58 pm »

Fixed ftw!

It takes muscle to decrypt my thinking!
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2010, 12:13:40 pm »

I don't believe in any religion, and I don't believe in any kind of God. The sheer idea of absolute omnipotence is illogical (could he make a hamburger he couldn't eat? - Homer J. Simpson).

I trust in science, Sharpshooter. I see the proof provided by the scientists - and I know they are right when they say all was formed after the Big Bang. That earth formed from a cluster of dust that started dragging itself together due to gravity. That it was formed the way it is after billions of years of geological activity. We don't yet know what there was before the Big Bang, or why the BB even happened in the first place. But just because we don't know now doesn't mean we won't know in 100 years. I'm patient as far as that goes - other than it being interesting, it's not really life-changing for me to know what there was before the Big Bang occured.

As far as science goes, we don't even know all the species on this planet, much less anything outside of our planet. Science as it is now is the height of Human arrogance, for we believe we know everything when the truth is our 'science' and 'universal laws' may be completely wrong and only proven so far by a set of variables in the universe that we don't even know to exist.

The assumption that there is not a higher being that we can't see or feel is proof that we assume to much and know to little.
 Say if you never left your house except to go to your neighbors house and one day he tells you about this man who lives in a place called china, you tell him that he is an idiot as as far as you know and everything that you have seen there is not place called china and there can't be a man there as it doesn't exist. And with a set of rules and 'math' that you have created you 'prove' to him that it can't exist.
That is our science of our day, it should be taken for no more fact then should the bible. But only with an open mind in both areas can we ever learn the truth, also we must understand that we are an extremely young race and by galactic standards are maybe only just two steps away from when we have discovered fire. Still utterly primitive but yet so self assured and so eager to jump at the least idea that makes the most 'sense' whether or not it really is the truth.

in ending the truth my be so far beyond us that it may take millions of years for us to find it, or even longer if we go down one path convincing ourselves we are right all along.
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« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2010, 12:15:05 pm »

I follow the Chaos Gods.

Khorne - blood, violence, martial strength!

Tzeentch - sorcery, ambition, change!

Nurgle - death, destruction, disease!

Slaanesh - desire, pleasure, lust!
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« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2010, 12:19:41 pm »

Did I claim science to know everything? Nope, I said Science will eventually find out everything(well, as much as it can, anyway). Just because we don't know about something now doesn't mean we won't find out about it tomorrow. But I believe in what fact and evidence have proved to exist. If other facts and evidence come along to disprove the theories we have now - I'll be happy to accept them. If in the end scientists get to the big bang, and find God sitting there in a swath of empty space - I'll be the first to admit I was wrong to ever deny his existence. But until then - I'll believe what has been proven to exist.

I also don't believe that we will EVER know everything. It's simply not possible to know how to exist and not exist at the very same time(and by knowing how to do it - you could do it), as the sheer notion of that would be illogical. Though, if we knew everything - we'd have to know that as well. Seeing as we will likely never find out how to do such things - we will never know absolutely everything. But heck - there's NOTHING stopping us from trying to come as close to that as we can.

I'd likely follow Tzeentch, btw ;P.
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Spartan_Marine88 Offline
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« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2010, 12:22:24 pm »

Did I claim science to know everything? Nope, I said Science will eventually find out everything(well, as much as it can, anyway). Just because we don't know about something now doesn't mean we won't find out about it tomorrow. But I believe in what fact and evidence have proved to exist. If other facts and evidence come along to disprove the theories we have now - I'll be happy to accept them. If in the end scientists get to the big bang, and find God sitting there in a swath of empty space - I'll be the first to admit I was wrong to ever deny his existence. But until then - I'll believe what has been proven to exist.

I also don't believe that we will EVER know everything. It's simply not possible to know how to exist and not exist at the very same time(and by knowing how to do it - you could do it), as the sheer notion of that would be illogical. Though, if we knew everything - we'd have to know that as well. Seeing as we will likely never find out how to do such things - we will never know absolutely everything. But heck - there's NOTHING stopping us from trying to come as close to that as we can.

I'd likely follow Tzeentch, btw ;P.

Never claimed you did, but i know alot of scientists who hold that swagger
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« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2010, 12:25:31 pm »

Scientists are but human - they can't be hoped to be perfect.

Me, on the other hand... Cheesy
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Baine Offline
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« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2010, 12:33:57 pm »

As i said already, science is not perfect and there are more facts that are not really facts. Science is not always right, or likes to leave out things they don't believe themselves.
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« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2010, 12:35:29 pm »

But - science does alter it's "basic" views when new facts come into play to disprove the old ones.

Light itself, for instance.
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« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2010, 12:36:22 pm »

But - science does alter it's "basic" views when new facts come into play to disprove the old ones.

Light itself, for instance.

Something that religion never does.
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« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2010, 12:37:42 pm »

Exactly my point. Something that never admits it was ever wrong is flawed by it's nature, and is doomed by it's own stuborn-ness to eventualy be forgotten.
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« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2010, 12:53:27 pm »

The hell are you two doing? Don't force a lock
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