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[Lai]

Ok, let's get back on topic:

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[EliteGren]

That's some funky ass music!

[Sharpshooter824]

Did I claim science to know everything? Nope, I said Science will eventually find out everything(well, as much as it can, anyway). Just because we don't know about something now doesn't mean we won't find out about it tomorrow. But I believe in what fact and evidence have proved to exist. If other facts and evidence come along to disprove the theories we have now - I'll be happy to accept them. If in the end scientists get to the big bang, and find God sitting there in a swath of empty space - I'll be the first to admit I was wrong to ever deny his existence. But until then - I'll believe what has been proven to exist.

I also don't believe that we will EVER know everything. It's simply not possible to know how to exist and not exist at the very same time(and by knowing how to do it - you could do it), as the sheer notion of that would be illogical. Though, if we knew everything - we'd have to know that as well. Seeing as we will likely never find out how to do such things - we will never know absolutely everything. But heck - there's NOTHING stopping us from trying to come as close to that as we can.

I'd likely follow Tzeentch, btw ;P.

Find out as in make up?

The only reason religion is "bad" in a sense is because somewhere a long the line it became a way for men to control and have power, they use religion as a tool to benefit themselves, this doesn't necessarily make religion a bad thing if it isn't used like that.

[Demon767]

All religions suck because of how man skewed the teachings of the institute.

only one from memory that hasnt fucked over is buddism. but i wouldnt doubt that if buddism became a major religion in the middle east and western countries, they'll still find a way to skew a teachings and declare themselves HOLY WARRIORS. or wtf bullshit like that.

religion has caused more problems than it has solved.

[SX23]

All religions suck because of how man skewed the teachings of the institute.

only one from memory that hasnt fucked over is buddism. but i wouldnt doubt that if buddism became a major religion in the middle east and western countries, they'll still find a way to skew a teachings and declare themselves HOLY WARRIORS. or wtf bullshit like that.

religion has caused more problems than it has solved.

Has it?

To get a successful analysis, you must try to lower the parameters so they can be considered as only one entity. Here it seems pretty simple: Build a world with religion, or exclude every aspects from it.
Shall I remember you the ethics precepts of our current society? The fact that they are, without any exceptions, based on that "problematic" religion? Or can you understand and analyze a society without those precepts, would you consider it as better? From the fact that nowadays societies would promote wars, aggression, and overall, that "humane" instinct of ours, due to it's incapacity to base itself on any other rules?

[Grundwaffe]

Religion, how pointless..

[SX23]

Religion, how pointless..

Pointless, how so?

Religions have not been established to guide men, but to serve our needs.

[wildsolus]

They don't guide? lol

[SX23]

They don't guide? lol

Religion itself does never guide. On some extent we might consider as a tool of propaganda that begun as moral precepts. For example, the crusades were launched by the pope, but why does so many volunteered into the cause of the Templars? Was it out of devotion, or the avarice that could be served by middle-east wealth?
The so-called motive was religion. The interest was wealth. Religion did not guide them, nor help them, they took it, modified it so it could serve their purpose, and use it to justify them selfs.

[SX23]

Exactly my point. Something that never admits it was ever wrong is flawed by it's nature, and is doomed by it's own stuborn-ness to eventualy be forgotten.

Mysthalin, you claim to believe in science?
If so, you confirm religion's use. By the nature of what we actually call science, we will never able to grasp the meaning, only comprehend the actual phenomena.
What I mean  is that, due to the fact our sciences are based on comparison (For "pure" science, such as physics and chimics) , in the terms of "If A=B, then C will happen". Therefore, how could we understand the nature, as it being the said base of comparison? How could we establish an rational explanation on the comparison of the said comparison?
Science does indeed indicate what can happen. Religion indicates why it happens.

[arsonist123]

Pretty... interesting thread.. was alot reading read in 30 minutes.. amm i have to say you guys have pretty good brains, very Nice writtings for that matter... although this guy?? who is he? the one whos fighting MYst?? and all the eirr Atheist?

He has capability to be smart I feel like hes being pretty blind because hes trying to defend why his stick is better then others... In the end... We all just have the same stick...

Think of it as an example Saying that... Basketball is better then Soccer... =/ Really There both Great sports.. and I think they're at the same level but its opinion what they say Soccer sucks or basketball sucks etc etc... I love religion and science thats me... But The way you love something and hate others.. IS genetics... It's proven, by religion and science -.- alike. If you like/hate sports = Genetics, You are fast runner or smart and quick on feet = genetics.... Really all those are just traits picked up by parents and the mixing of anomaly.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Religion itself does never guide. On some extent we might consider as a tool of propaganda that begun as moral precepts. For example, the crusades were launched by the pope, but why does so many volunteered into the cause of the Templars? Was it out of devotion, or the avarice that could be served by middle-east wealth?
The so-called motive was religion. The interest was wealth. Religion did not guide them, nor help them, they took it, modified it so it could serve their purpose, and use it to justify them selfs.

5    “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6    “You shall not murder.
7    “You shall not commit adultery.
8    “You shall not steal.
9    “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10    “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

That is a guide on how to be a generally decent person


And to arsonist , your wrong about genetics they proved that when cloning animals the clone would act completely different. What you were claiming about the love/hate of sports are ideals imprinted on you by your parents and have nothing to do with your genetic structure. How good you are at sports are governed by genetics but not your interest.

[arsonist123]

Mysthalin, you claim to believe in science?
If so, you confirm religion's use. By the nature of what we actually call science, we will never able to grasp the meaning, only comprehend the actual phenomena.
What I mean  is that, due to the fact our sciences are based on comparison (For "pure" science, such as physics and chimics) , in the terms of "If A=B, then C will happen". Therefore, how could we understand the nature, as it being the said base of comparison? How could we establish an rational explanation on the comparison of the said comparison?
Science does indeed indicate what can happen. Religion indicates why it happens.

What? *Does not compute* sorry re-read that and create an actual idea.. not being a jerk.. but its... like blah blah blah blah to me... physics and Chimics lMao

[arsonist123]

5    “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6    “You shall not murder.
7    “You shall not commit adultery.
8    “You shall not steal.
9    “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10    “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

That is a guide on how to be a generally decent person


And to arsonist , your wrong about genetics they proved that when cloning animals the clone would act completely different. What you were claiming about the love/hate of sports are ideals imprinted on you by your parents and have nothing to do with your genetic structure. How good you are at sports are governed by genetics but not your interest.

Lmao it's a ... CLONE grr that didn't really follow what I was saying... Its " The apple doesn't fall far from the tree" thing theres also alot varying factors that play along with that.. Amm amm Im not wrong.. Jesus stop trying to prove everyone in the world wrong.

[SX23]

5    “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6    “You shall not murder.
7    “You shall not commit adultery.
8    “You shall not steal.
9    “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10    “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

That is a guide on how to be a generally decent person

Don't be short-sighted, Spartan. If you consider yourself as decent, is it because some instincts or because of society view?
As I previously stated, those precepts have been adopted by current society, therefore, yet again, it has been used to some purpose.

[SX23]

Pretty... interesting thread.. was alot reading read in 30 minutes.. amm i have to say you guys have pretty good brains, very Nice writtings for that matter... although this guy?? who is he? the one whos fighting MYst?? and all the eirr Atheist?

Thank you.

Think of it as an example Saying that... Basketball is better then Soccer... =/ Really There both Great sports.. and I think they're at the same level but its opinion what they say Soccer sucks or basketball sucks etc etc... I love religion and science thats me... But The way you love something and hate others.. IS genetics... It's proven, by religion and science -.- alike. If you like/hate sports = Genetics, You are fast runner or smart and quick on feet = genetics.... Really all those are just traits picked up by parents and the mixing of anomaly.

Then you ASSUME that all we like or dislike is being made by genetics. What about moral ethics? If you were born, let's say, during the 1800's era, you would consider, as anyone else, slave's as normal. Is it because we mutate through time (Don't answer yes to this, or you will only prove your total inadequacy to talk about genetics) or because they received different education, leading to different precepts?

[Spartan_Marine88]

Don't be short-sighted, Spartan. If you consider yourself as decent, is it because some instincts or because of society view?

does it matter?

Lmao it's a ... CLONE grr that didn't really follow what I was saying... Its " The apple doesn't fall far from the tree" thing theres also alot varying factors that play along with that.. Amm amm Im not wrong.. Jesus stop trying to prove everyone in the world wrong.

You said genetics determine everything, thus a clone should be identical in every way, seeing as how they are not, then there is more factors to you than your makeup

[SX23]

does it matter?

You said genetics determine everything, thus a clone should be identical in every way, seeing as how they are not, then there is more factors to you than your makeup

Of course, if is it because of the said instincts, or alone conclusion, you can then said religion guide you. If it is cause of society, you can then assume that it has been used against (or for, depending on your point of view) you.

For the second point, I totally agree. Pretending genetics determines everything is quite stupid, as you ignore, in it's integrability, human societies thorough history.

[Killer344]

No, image spammers is the last thing this thread needs.

[Unkn0wn]

I'm not an atheist, I'm agnostic.