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« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2011, 11:48:19 am » |
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How is micro rewarded when it's economically better to just let full squads die?
coz in vcoh u can just retreat a squad once its damaged and reinforce for free without caring. now u need to be careful. |
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« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2011, 12:49:45 pm » |
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Or just let units die and buy full squads for 50% cheaper?
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« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2011, 01:18:01 pm » |
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^ exactly. theres no reason to try and keep your units alive and retain vet if you can just let them fight it out and then get a new squad in no time.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2011, 01:37:09 pm » |
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^ exactly. theres no reason to try and keep your units alive and retain vet if you can just let them fight it out and then get a new squad in no time.
ehhm, you just said it yourself. retain vet. and do you really think throwing squads in their death is gonna make you win the game? new squads are not 50% cheaper, reinforcing is 50% more expensive. there is no reason why reinforing should be cheaper. it was either this or no reinforcing and more expensive also makes sense so thats what it has become. EIR doenst even have reinforcing........... |
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WildZontar
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« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2011, 01:49:36 pm » |
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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2011, 03:02:09 am » |
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there is no reason why reinforing should be cheaper. it was either this or no reinforcing and more expensive also makes sense so thats what it has become.
EIR doenst even have reinforcing...........
very strange logic. i keep my vet, getting it to HQ without retreat, and what i get as a reward for my mad skillz? +50% reinf cost |
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« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2011, 05:09:15 am » |
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Yeah that doesn't really make any sense. To reward micro it would have to be the other way around.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2011, 07:23:53 am » |
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reinforcing is not the achievement, not needing reinforcing is.
retreat & reinforcing only leads to inf blobbing. if you screwed up by running your blob into a hmg or puma you need to be punished.
so i took retreat out and made reinforcing only usefull for vetted or muni based units. i guess ill change the description later.
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« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2011, 10:11:34 am » |
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Hmmm, looks interesting. I'm going to try this out.
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« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2011, 10:20:04 am » |
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so i took retreat out and made reinforcing only usefull for vetted or muni based units. i guess ill change the description later.
Retreating and falling back are age old conditions tied to war, how could you ever think that removing it was a good idea? |
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« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2011, 10:22:11 am » |
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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2011, 06:19:27 am » |
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T17's cap sectors like infantry. Couldn't see this in the changes so i'm assuming it's a bug.
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« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2011, 08:40:58 am » |
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T17's cap sectors like infantry. Couldn't see this in the changes so i'm assuming it's a bug.
all doctrines are pretty much vcoh still, so since light vehicles can cap in vcoh they can here too. might be kinda OP on the t17 though, i think il make it 9 pop instead of 8. |
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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2011, 07:47:04 pm » |
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Retreating and falling back are age old conditions tied to war, how could you ever think that removing it was a good idea? You can still retreat by selecting your unit and then clicking away from the battle, units running at twice the speed while dodging everything that comes at them is not an age old condition tied to war. |
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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2011, 10:51:11 pm » |
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You can still retreat by selecting your unit and then clicking away from the battle, units running at twice the speed while dodging everything that comes at them is not an age old condition tied to war.
when your men are under the pinned condition they will not move when you select the unit and click away from the battle. do you even play the game? or just troll? |
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« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2011, 12:49:43 am » |
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Maybe that's because getting up and running in the open while a machinegun is firing at you is also not an age old condition tied to war.
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« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2011, 10:45:08 pm » |
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Still don't understand the whole point of preserving units if every unit you retreat just dies in the end.
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« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2011, 01:02:27 am » |
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The point is retaining vet, which is useless if you lose 2/3 just to gain vet
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2011, 03:21:52 am » |
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Still don't understand the whole point of preserving units if every unit you retreat just dies in the end.
basically retreating is just bad for the game. if you screw up by running into a hmg has artekas suggested your soldiers will die. thats what happens if you screw up. if retreat is kept in that doesnt happen. your units live. I decided to keep retreating in but in a different form as it is now. retreating now adds an extra required level of skill. retreat at the right point and gain a command point advantage to your opponent. this also increases the total amount of CPs players get, which is needed because of all the extra CP costing stuff (offmaps, doctrine units, recourse advantages, doctrines) |
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WildZontar
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« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2011, 01:43:52 am » |
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How much are the vet bonuses? Enough to make a difference between saving one squad or just buying a brand new one?
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