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[spinn72]

I don't know who you guys have been playing.. I've put in 20 games since the reset and haven't come across anything odd, except for 5-6 croc companies, which have never been hard to counter..

It seems like everyone is just crying "omg you have 5 rifle squads, I CALL SPAM". Rifles are the core part of EVERY American players army.. If you don't enjoy playing games, find something else to do. But I suspect you do still actually enjoy EIRR and are just trying to attract attention to something that's always existed, and is exactly the same as it has been since the start of this mod.

[brn4meplz]

Even 6 crocs is hardly spam. If your company is built around Crocs consuming your fuel then thats just how you've spent your fuel. Now if you have 4 Crocs on field at once, then thats spam.

[Smokaz]

Most axis seem oblivious to the spam potential of their own faction, its quite lulz

[ErwinNH]

I spam pwnage. the end.

[brn4meplz]

Most axis seem oblivious to the spam potential of their own faction, its quite lulz

8 Rolling Thunder StuG's

[smurfORnot]

I spam Maraders ...but no one complains about that lol

[ErwinNH]

I'm spamming the forum.

[shockcoil]

I spam spam that's how much spam I spam

[Mysthalin]

David. Turn on Skype to get the most ultimate tag-team spam I've ever envisioned.

[101stGG]

lol

Even in vent chat, turn on "Microsoft Sam", and I'll tell you what spam is xD

Seriously. Spam is for nubs.

[tank130]

This is just going to far with the amount of super gay spam companies you can make. It seems like all i fight are these type of setups and its getting a little old. I'm really at the point of just not playing anymore. Some people seem to have gotten it in their head that I spam a bunch of shit and I don't. So it seems like i'm getting greifed all the time. Sure i win some of these battles but it doesn't make the game any more fun to play. I just want to a normal match and not have to face billions of rifles back up with billions of assualt engineers, at guns, airborne armor super rape assualt flammers of doom with 10 marders, 300 million 50 mills and 100 million pgrens. It just isn't fun to play games like that.

You are one of the worst spammers in the fucking community. The irony of this post just shocks me.......

But it proves a very good point. The Spammer gets spammed and now it;s not fun anymore. More often than not ( I will not say always ), the people who defend spam are spammers. The people who dislike spam are balanced companies.
So now we finally have a known spammer who QQ because he got spammed. While I feel this is perfect justice, it still shows the mod is broken when spam can so easily be achieved.

Here's something else I have noticed about the meta game. The time zone you play in greatly affects the meta game. For example:
I normally play in the evenings ( 6:00 - 10:00 PST ). I few times in the last week I have had some slow days with work, so I have been on in the morning.

I experience a lot less spam in the mornings. So perhaps this is why some people claim spam is not an issue, and others say it is.

not true, i get games al the time!

And also that works both ways Carrot, why submit yourself to them?

Last night there were 6 active players in the launcher. Carrot, Mountain man & I played against spammed brens/piats, triple sniper, triple croc. We had a choice of play the spam or don't play the mod.

Now I realize no one is forcing us to play; and we have a choice not to play the spam. But you really have to ask yourself (especially if you are a Dev) is there something wrong with he mod if spam is so easy to create and it stops people from playing: should we correct it.

For all you arm chair quarterbacks out there:
I took out the 3 snipers blobbed together with a Goliath ( very satisfying )
we had 3 paks on the field trying to take the crocs. One was insta artied, the others were taken out by shot gun engineers.
More paks, 50mm, and panther were brought on to take crocs. Crocs pulled back, piat blobs, FF, and atg brought forward.
Infantry  brought on to counter piat blobs: Inf cooked by crocs, Paks insta gibed by arty again.
Rinse and repeat.....

The crocs were really a big problem as they insta melted out infantry. The piat bren spam is just fucking bullshit and needs to be corrected.

[Groundfire]

Chill out guys, we know there's a problem and we are working on about 3 different ways to attack the problem in the internal fourms atm.

Now the one underlying problem within this community is that everyone has a particular definition of what spam is and expects everyone else to conform to their ideas of what a balanced company is, which is something we cannot change by code...

Building your company around a designated role is as much risky as it is innovative. At some point, players are going to have to take a look at their own playstyle and ask themselves why they rage at their opponant over a strategy that they themselves are nowhere near prepared for to combat.

At the end of the day, this is a game of skill and whether it's recognized or not, being able to identify on field problems and recitfy them with counter call-ins is as much apart of this game as anything else.

I still see people pull on double nebels to fight off M10s.

Now, that is not to say that there arnt spamming problems from a design perspective, and the devs are going to fix that. But pretaining to company customization, well this isnt chess, we dont have all the same pieces. Alittle company tailoring might just need to take place once in awhile cause thats part of the game.

[AmPM]

PIAT Bren carrier spam is easy to fix, change the transport versions armor type back so it can be killed by small arms.

[Smokaz]

PIAT Bren carrier spam is easy to fix, change the transport versions armor type back so it can be killed by small arms.

That renders its fairly hard to use and overly dangerous for its riders

[3rdCondor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o

[sheffer]

i want bacon spam and sausage without a spam 

[Jodomar]

I used officers before last patch because it was one of three options to combat IA and Minefield abuse from SE. The other two would be light vehicle spam and church hill spam. The only thing that you could even consider spam that i use now is the 5 bren carriers i have and only 4 of them have piats in them. I wouldn't call that spam and they don't even come out all at once. I thinkI get blamed for other peoples spam as well, right now my companies are pretty balanced. I'm not saying I can't win because I do still win. I'm just saying that it's not fun playing against these set ups, it just gets frustrating. My new tactic to battle this is to play several different companies so no one will know what I have. I Think another problem stems from the fact that everyone seem to get some kind of hand held infantry anti tank weapon now. So i can't really use pumas since the die to at rifles which are being spammed everywhere. So the only thing left is tanks which as a defense player I don't have a lot of. It looks like I need to go heavy on tanks or what until terror comes out and go heavy support again.
   
   Then as allies I have to face assault flamers of doom which rape every form of infantry you send at it which only leaves you with tanks or light vehicles to use. Since those assault flamers are backed up by marders and 50 mills it makes it really hard. I just think there is too many options now to be had which narrows down the options of what units you can field. Maybe the other doctrines will even this out. I don't really know all I can do is tell you what I think, and that is things are just to spamy right now. I also think burn has a point about having access to 200 pp's and lvl 5 off the bat.

[Illegal_Carrot]

then DO SOMETHING ELSE!

Like read a book or do some house work, just logg on to vent create a game and hope ppl will pm when u get a game ^^

Its not that hard Carrot.

So if I sit down and dedicate two hours of my day to playing EiR, you're saying I should spend 60% of that time doing something else entirely.

A game that, in order to have fun, you don't play, you read a book instead. Brilliant!

Most axis seem oblivious to the spam potential of their own faction, its quite lulz

Bull. Any sort of infantry heavy company will instantly get owned by a Calliope, Strafing Run, Typhoon Rocket Strike, Croc spam, FOO, Cannister Shot, Suppression Fire, etc. (notice how all of the are instant-win buttons, and require absolutely no skill)
Light Vehicle spam get torn apart by the Allie's ever-growing arsenal of bullshit, and dodge bonuses are no longer enough.
Armor spam seems most viable, but is hardly effective vs HVAP, Tank Reapers, PIAT spam, etc, and requires too much micro for most anyone to pull off.

That renders its fairly hard to use and overly dangerous for its riders

Exactly how it should be for what's basically a glorified jeep. Right now the things are mini Kangaroos that make up for their lack of health with dodge bonuses.

I used officers before last patch because it was one of three options to combat IA and Minefield abuse from SE.

Any armor company had a field day against IA spam, but yeah, it was a huge problem.
Still, once you get marked as a spammer, it's pretty much impossible to come back.

[Killer344]

So if I sit down and dedicate two hours of my day to playing EiR, you're saying I should spend 60% of that time doing something else entirely.

A game that, in order to have fun, you don't play, you read a book instead. Brilliant!

We obviously care more than the average developer about the cultural integrity of our community.

[Illegal_Carrot]

We obviously care more than the average developer about the cultural integrity of our community.

You realize most people just look up pictures of kittens and jerk off, right?

Chill out guys, we know there's a problem and we are working on about 3 different ways to attack the problem in the internal fourms atm.

For as big of an issue as this is, and as much attention as it has drawn, this is the first we're hearing that the devs even acknowledge it as a problem.