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[Spartan_Marine88]

mandos kill em,rangers kill em...
tanks kill em very effectivly,mg,bar,quad etc pins them,they die...

Mandos and rangers get rolled by mp44 with flame

[smurfORnot]

I am quite sure that 1v1 they will loose,but I will test that tomorrow.

[Demon767]

mp44 with flame gets rolled by all elite infantry. it even has troubles with rifleman bars. trust me, its alot about luck. even with the t4 is still gets rolled. its very situational

[Unkn0wn]

Airborne and airborne riflemen, definitely. When you implement them of course. Their pool value is way too much.

They are implemented... just no one plays them because the rest of the doc isn't it.

[Spartan_Marine88]

They are implemented... just no one plays them because the rest of the doc isn't it.

Not true, already got one vet 3 AB on the leaderboard

[Unkn0wn]

Aren't those bugged?

[spinn72]

Aren't those bugged?

What are you referring to?
AB aren't bugged, all their current doc abilities work fine.
Sniper is ridiculously overpowered though.

[Malgoroth]

SE flammen grens at 8 pool is fine. With 10 flammen squads, 2 regular Pgrens and 6 tankbusters I'm -32 infantry pool. The issue is in their pop costs.

2 flammen squads is only 8 pop on the field. This is sort of ridiculous. Individually they should be 5 pop. So 10 pop for a call in of 2.
Of course, you could also leave them at 4 pop and make the mp44s a separate upgrade (made more expensive so its total is slightly more than the current muni cost) with the flamethrowers as standard armament...

I feel I can speak on the issue since I use them. I use them a lot. And they are far from OP. Vehicles and tanks make them(me) wet their(my) pants while they(I) cry.

[smurfORnot]

they are best used in halftracks,althought then you will have small force,since each halftrack is almost 1 less unit of them/pgrens(mp wise), On foot they are just okay,nothing spectacular,some will make cost back,others will get pinned,stumble on tank etc.

[Demon767]

smurfornot hit it on the head. i believe they are fine

[Scotzmen]

I feel I can speak on the issue since I use them. I use them a lot. And they are far from OP. Vehicles and tanks make them(me) wet their(my) pants while they(I) cry.

Jesus, did i mentally scar you that badly?

[Tymathee]

mp44 with flame gets rolled by all elite infantry. it even has troubles with rifleman bars. trust me, its alot about luck. even with the t4 is still gets rolled. its very situational

but all bars can do against them is suppress them. without suppression fire, the bar squad gets epically raped.

SE flammen grens at 8 pool is fine. With 10 flammen squads, 2 regular Pgrens and 6 tankbusters I'm -32 infantry pool. The issue is in their pop costs.

2 flammen squads is only 8 pop on the field. This is sort of ridiculous. Individually they should be 5 pop. So 10 pop for a call in of 2.
Of course, you could also leave them at 4 pop and make the mp44s a separate upgrade (made more expensive so its total is slightly more than the current muni cost) with the flamethrowers as standard armament...

I feel I can speak on the issue since I use them. I use them a lot. And they are far from OP. Vehicles and tanks make them(me) wet their(my) pants while they(I) cry.

omg, an AI infantry squad without any AT capabilities can get raped by vehicles and tanks? Nooo waaay!

In terms of AI potential, they're as good as any, mandos, rangers, kch because whether you're in green, yellow, red or in garrison cover, they will damage you, so you either have to quickly kill them or run, they're quite nasty.

Also against other elite infantry, the flame thrower gets a damage boost so along with its soldier armor, which btw stens only do 50% dmg against and 75% of its accuracy, thompsons only do 75% of its damage, and bars 75% acc and 40% dmg oh and garands only do 60% dmg, enfields 75%, brens 75 acc and 50% dmg, i think they can easily stand their own against any infantry, including all elite infantry.

The only advantage that commandos and rangers have is smoke and fire up but once thats over with, the flammen will easily win.

so 8 pool is well justified.

[Demon767]

i didnt say suppression fire was used

[BigDick]

tetrach pool value currently 6 while all other light vehicles (even shit puma) have 9 pool value
its fuel cost with 60 fuel is to low too should be at least 80 fuel like m8

was in a game yesterday where some fags spamed 8 tetrachs and 7 stuarts with cannisterrounds
ontop of 2x8=16 commandos

[Malgoroth]

Yes Tym. Tanks is how you counter them. I was trying to help out the people who think they're OP. Were you doing an impression of a pretentious douche-bag with your sarcasm? I'll assume that's it.

And yes, scotz. You did mentally scar me that badly.

[Scotzmen]

And yes, scotz. You did mentally scar me that badly.

im sorry 

[Malgoroth]

No you're not 

But seriously... when a canister shot rips 2 vet squads in half and then you have commandos bearing down on the survivors... it's enough to make anybody squeal in girlish terror.

[spinn72]

Keep max range and don't blob and you're good =p.
You should have the same reflex as you would to vet 2 rifle squads with tanks, keep the hell away!

[smurfORnot]

dont flame grenadiers have ab armor?

[Unkn0wn]

Correct